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Florida training program: "Misconception" that founders wanted separation of church and state

By HatetheSwamp
July 3, 2022 5:40 am
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A new civics training program for public school teachers in Florida says it is a “misconception” that “the founders desired strict separation of church and state,” the Washington Post reports.

Brief but informative article.


If the woke crowd is freakin over the Supreme Court allowing a coach to take a knee and pray silently, they'd better brace themselves.

The notion that the Bill of Rights created a "Wall of Separation" between church and state comes from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a group of Baptists in which he assured them that they are free to be Baptists as much as they like and the government can't interfere. Jefferson didn't intend to restrict religion. He meant to empower its freedom from state interference.

"But pb, but pb, Rights aren't absolute!"

All that said, Jefferson didn't participate in the writing of the Bill of Rights. He was in Paris at the time, serving as US Ambassador to France.

What this Court seems intent on doing is to turn back the clock to the days before the woke agenda was foisted on free citizens by judges and unelected bureaucrats.

Look for woke Church and State court decisions to be overturned.

Look for more deconstructing of fascist bureaucratic regulations.

Donna is already saying a version of the truth. However,...

The Supreme Court isn't, as she says, going to impose its own agenda. What it's going to do is tear down the woke world by requiring that the US become, again, a nation, "of the people, by the people and for the people."

Elections and legislation will, once again, matter.


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  1. by oldedude on July 3, 2022 6:19 am
    This is one of the two biggest lies of the Founders. The other is they were horrible people and we need to tear any statues that remain of them and just put up phallic symbols because that's something our children need to know about. They were (gasp!) slave owners.

    Throughout his entire life, Thomas Jefferson was publicly a consistent opponent of slavery. Calling it a “moral depravity”1 and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.

    At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories.7 But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slave owners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.


    Jefferson was very specific and adamant that any change could be done through the process given to Americans in the Constitution. His reasoning was to keep the peace and not have mobs rule the country. He and Madison were both afraid of mobs not using the constitution as change. He would have scorned Lincoln for only freeing "Southern" slaves, while keeping the slave trade in the north vibrant.
    monticello.org


  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 3, 2022 6:40 am

    OD,

    I just checked out Ron Chernow's biography on Alexander Hamilton from the local library.

    Whether the woke gang likes it or not, we are entering a time in which the principles upon which our constitutional representative republic were founded are going to be the foundation of our laws.

    It appears that, again, we will be a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people."

    Were you watching THE FIVE the day last week when Jesse Watters noted that progressives are going to have to learn to legislate?

    Both sides will, of course. But, the woke paradigm, it seems to me, had been built on disdain for the will of the people because, as Donna says, people are not smart. Woke sanctimony positions them poorly for life in a nation ruled by the people.


  3. by oldedude on July 3, 2022 8:00 am
    Yes, but i'm very doubtful about that. Circumvention of the law is faster than using the law to your benefit. The backlash, is the theory of Political Relativity. The more you push without the consent of the other side, the more push-back you get. burniebros were talking about "re-education camps." That met with a lot of hostility. That's the thing about the civil war they are fighting. They want us to bend over and take it. But in that forceful rape, I (for one) have a right to meet force with force.

    Sorry, back to the question at hand.

    This is what I meant when I mentioned the liberal world order. It's pretty obvious she's never been a project manager.

    ONE answers the question, "WHAT do we want to do" In this case is to bring about global change where the US is just another country, but many are "better" than it is.

    TWO answers the question, HOW do we want to accomplish this goal? In this case, they've thrown the ideas of the founders away completely. They want the change faster than legislating change ans the founders envisioned. Ergo, the Marxist social change paradigm is appropriate.

    These are two separate pieces. "I want to make a cherry pie." Okay, do I need a bunch of apples? No. I need other things. Do I bake the crust without the cherries, then throw the cherries in and put it in the fridge? No. That's the method. They are willing to go through the pain for the change. Okay. As long as you understand that, you'll move towards your goal with that in mind.


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