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The Supreme Court axes Roe. THE SUMMER OF RAGE is launched!
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Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ending 50 years of federal abortion rights

"“The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely — the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment,” Alito wrote.

“That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be ‘deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition’ and ’implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.”

“It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives,” Alito wrote."

*****

Curt reminded me, just yesterday. Condescendingly, I thought, that this is a "civil society."

Let's all stand up for that, eh?

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Comments on "The Supreme Court axes Roe. THE SUMMER OF RAGE is launched!":

  1. by Donna on June 24, 2022 7:54 am
    Of course, as well as the right to protest. Do you have a problem with the first amendment?

  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 8:10 am

    Donna,

    Curt's called you to be civil. I just didn't argue.

    But, he applied it to MAGAs. Why exempt abortionists, too.

  3. by Donna on June 24, 2022 8:13 am
    No one's being exempted. Everyone is expected to be civil.

  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 8:21 am

    Excuse the symptom of dementia.

    huh

  5. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 10:28 am

    Major fact check needed here. Biden says overturning of Roe puts America an outlier in the modern world. Most European countries ban or have heavy limits on abortion. Under Roe, the U.S. was closer to China and North Korea than France.     -Katie Pavlich (Maybe the smartest person on Fox)

  6. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 10:35 am

    I think it's time to replay Rush Limbaugh's hilarious and brilliant Feminist Update, recorded in part at a pro-abortion rally!
     View Video

  7. by oldedude on June 24, 2022 11:31 am
    Here's what we know about the "protests."
    Pro life offices were firebombed.
    Anti life groups threatened pro life groups with serious bodily harm and death.
    Anti life groups threatened SCOTUS (federal judges) with serious bodily harm and death. (Felony)
    Anti life groups threatened the families of Federal Judges with serious bodily harm and death. And posted their schools and pictures. (Felony)
    Anti life groups promised "a summer of rage" to at least equal that of the riots of 2020.

    I think that if there's and anti 2A decision, pro gun groups should riot in dim cities. Instead of molotovs, they could use C4 and SIMTEX. And we could also say, "they were mostly peaceful protests."

  8. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 12:48 pm

    Awesome point by Jedediah Bila:

    Reminder: The vast majority of these “my body, my choice” activists were totally fine with you being forced to take an experimental “vaccine” or lose your job, your livelihood, your ability to put food on the table. They’re phonies at their core.

  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 2:19 pm

    Truth from Philly's Greg Price:

    "Roe v. Wade was decided by seven white men and overturned by a woman and a black man!"

  10. by islander on June 24, 2022 2:44 pm
    Hmmm...Six unelected judges. Five of them appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. Taking away the rights of women, the majority of the population. Against the will of the majority of the nation.

  11. by oldedude on June 24, 2022 3:08 pm
    "Hmmm...Six unelected judges. Five of them appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. Taking away the rights of women, the majority of the population. Against the will of the majority of the nation."

    Isle, just hear me out. I said it before. Infanticide isn't a "right" in our country, and not an enumerated issue in the Constitution. The decision was extremely pointed about this. It is not up to the Federal government to make this law. It is up to the states.

    This is well grounded as even pedojoe said when he still had a mind. My guess is there will be a couple that don't allow (maybe?), and some that will still allow under any circumstance and at any time, but the majority will fall within the european model as Donna put out earlier. That's the complete synopsis of the SCOTUS decision. They didn't make it "illegal." They didn't say states "couldn't." The decision specifically says it is up to the states because this is not an enumerated power. Colorado already has a pretty good law. I don't really like it much for me, but for the state it makes sense. My guess is that several or many states already have their blueprint down and it's already set in state law.
    Much ado about little.

  12. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 3:24 pm

    From YouTuber Blaire White:

    I'm pretty sure we threw the whole "my body, my choice" thing out the window when we banned people who didn't get a shot from participating in society.

  13. by islander on June 24, 2022 3:25 pm
    "Isle, just hear me out. I said it before. Infanticide isn't a "right" in our country"

    And it never has been, have you ever read Roe V Wade?

    "this is not an enumerated power",/b>

    "All" of our rights are not enumerated in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. That would be pretty much impossible to do.

    Roe V Wade was a very good decision. The right has now opened up a can of worms...be careful what you wish for.

  14. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 4:21 pm

    Sen. Ben Sasse:

    This issue will now be debated in the 50 states, and a 330,000,000-person, continental nation will work through this debate in a way that’s healthier than Roe’s one-size-fits-all, Washington-centrism. The pro-life movement is pro-baby, pro-mom, and pro-science. This cause is rooted in love and now is the time to show it. We can’t call this legal victory the end, because our movement has never been primarily about lawsuits and laws – it’s about love and compassion. So let’s celebrate today’s victory and get to work. Let’s support and love all pregnant women. Let’s come alongside them and give the support they need. Let’s support babies regardless of the situations they face and build communities around them that will love and cherish them.

  15. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 4:26 pm
    Ben Shapiro

    "Wrong, extreme and out of touch" says the president who believes men have babies and abortion ought to be legal on-demand until point of birth as a really, really good and devout Catholic.

  16. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 4:37 pm

    Joel Berry (the Babylon Bee)

    I see everyone suddenly remembered what a woman is

  17. by islander on June 24, 2022 4:41 pm

    Ben Shapiro

    "Wrong, extreme and out of touch" says the president who believes men have babies and abortion ought to be legal on-demand until point of birth as a really, really good and devout Catholic"

    And you expect us to take you and Ben Shapiro seriously ??? 🤣

    Read Roe V Wade...

  18. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 4:43 pm


    Huh?

    Did Joe Biden write the Roe opinion?

  19. by islander on June 24, 2022 5:03 pm
    "Huh?

    Did Joe Biden write the Roe opinion?"

    Non sequitur.

    And Biden doesn't believe men have babies !!! 🤣

  20. by HatetheSwamp on June 24, 2022 5:06 pm

    I think he does.

  21. by islander on June 24, 2022 5:18 pm

    You have lots of strange thoughts. we're used to it.

  22. by oldedude on June 24, 2022 5:49 pm
    ""All" of our rights are not enumerated in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. That would be pretty much impossible to do."
    It really isn't. If you actually had a concept of our constitution, there's no argument. And the "rights" the federal government has authority to write law on is. Look at the 9th and 10th Amendments.

    "Roe V Wade was a very good decision. The right has now opened up a can of worms...be careful what you wish for."
    RGB disagrees, so did pedojoe before he lost his mind. I agree that a central law on this would be easier, but that's not the way the framers wrote it. If we were, and it stood, we'd be closer to PRK or PRC than Europe. Like I have said several times. This is an issue. Of course all the lying about it on both sides gains nothing.

  23. by islander on June 25, 2022 4:32 am
    old dude wrote: They didn't make it "illegal." They didn't say states "couldn't." The decision specifically says it is up to the states because this is not an enumerated power.” 



    The 9th and 10th amendments clearly state that all our rights are not specifically enumerated. Part of the job of The Supreme Court is to determine if a right that isn't enumerated, is indeed a Constitutional right.

    50 years ago in Roe V Wade the Supreme court determined that the Constitution does indeed guarantee that a woman has the right to have an abortion. And as with all our rights it is qualified. Roe V Wade recognized the states' right to determine certain qualifications. This is what the court says:

    ” 3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

    (a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. Pp. 163, 164.
    (b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health. Pp. 163, 164.
    For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother. Pp. 163-164; 164-165.

    Row V Wade, as I said, was a very good and reasonable decision.
    The right has now overturned that settled decision and opened up a Pandora's box.

  24. by HatetheSwamp on June 25, 2022 4:59 am

    Part of the job of The Supreme Court is to determine if a right that isn't enumerated, is indeed a Constitutional right.

    I don't think you're right, isle. Here's all the Constitution says about the Judiciary:


    Article III
    Section 1
    The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

    Section 2
    The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State;--between Citizens of different States;--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment; shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

    Section 3
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    I think you're groovin on a Woke Myth.

    It seems to me that today's Court, call it the Trump Court, is doing is nothing but deconstructing all of the progressive mumbo jumbo it can get its hands on.

    That's all the Dobbs decision is.

  25. by islander on June 25, 2022 5:45 am

    "EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW"-These words, written above the main entrance to the Supreme Court Building, express the ultimate responsibility of the Supreme Court of the United States. The Court is the highest tribunal in the Nation for all cases and controversies arising under the Constitution or the laws of the United States. As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring the American people the promise of equal justice under law and, thereby, also functions as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution."

    "The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court’s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of "judicial review" has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a "living Constitution" whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations."

    "Hamilton had written that through the practice of judicial review the Court ensured that the will of the whole people, as expressed in their Constitution, would be supreme over the will of a legislature, whose statutes might express only the temporary will of part of the people. And Madison had written that constitutional interpretation must be left to the reasoned judgment of independent judges, rather than to the tumult and conflict of the political process. If every constitutional question were to be decided by public political bargaining, Madison argued, the Constitution would be reduced to a battleground of competing factions, political passion and partisan spirit."
    supremecourt.gov

  26. by HatetheSwamp on June 25, 2022 5:47 am

    "In my humble opinion, liberal women should go on a 10 year sex strike to show the world how serious they are about this issue." -Catturd

  27. by HatetheSwamp on June 25, 2022 8:23 am

    Dagen McDowell:

    The Roe and Casey SCOTUS decisions were always on very shaky, unstable legal foundations. Asking to be overturned. Why didn’t the Democrats when they had the power codify the right to abortion access? Obama and his Senate super-majority? Nothing. Not as important as they act now

  28. by Donna on June 25, 2022 8:54 am
    Overturning Roe will be bad for the Republican Party. It'll give suburban Republican voters pause come election time.

    Woke-ism has gone off the deep end, but so has conservative extremism. Both sides are overreaching.

  29. by oldedude on June 25, 2022 10:03 am
    So Isle...
    You know more than justice Ginsburg? She actually stated that it wasn't a good decision and that it was on shaky ground at best.
    Donna seems to have taken a good view of the decision. "here's where we are, here's what we're given, and here's how we can fix this. You, on the other hand are whining like a little mule that can't find it's mommy to suck her teats.

    As I have said several times here. I think almost, if not all states will use the European model to make their laws if they already haven't. That makes sense and fits within our Republic, rather than their Constitutional Monarchies. I'm okay with that.

    Do I "approve" of abortions? Like most Americans, I believe that after a period, it is a human being. My wife is like Lead. As soon as the egg is fertilized, it then becomes a thing of God. And to destroy it is murder. I'm not sure how Lead thinks and it's not for me to speak for him, but she doesn't care about rape or incest. I do. I also know that my sister came about a 5 minute drive from an abortion. That would still bother me.

    The other thing is how we consider what that is. You and Curt consider it like an appendectomy, something that hurts you and you don't want. I consider it a life. The other thing is how much money abortion clinics make off of selling parts of the "fetuses." Like the Chinese culture of a lottery, people gamble to see who has to donate a body part. Looser pays, the rest get money.

    I find it also interesting that the same people that took vaccines because they were told to and attacked those that said "my body, my choice," are the ones that are the most radical about this... They're also the ones that whine incessantly about using fetal pigs for biology classes. If those are pigs? why are these humans?

  30. by Donna on June 25, 2022 10:32 am
    I also have a problem with ending the life of a fetus, particularly after the fetus becomes viable, which most experts say occurs at 23 or 24 weeks (this is the point where a fetus can live outside of the mother's womb), and even after the end of the first trimester which happens at about 3 months.

    But I think that since the fetus is part of the mother's body, then she should have the right to make that decision. I don't think that right should come without restrictions, though. I have a serious problem allowing abortions after 24 weeks. The only exceptions I would make is if it's found after 24 weeks that 1) the mother's life would be in jeopardy if she carries it to full term, or 2) a serious developmental defect is found.

    Some might argue that if it's found that the mother's life would be in jeopardy if she carries it to full term, then a c-section could be performed and the baby could be placed in an incubator until it's able to survive on its own, but what if the mother or her family can't afford those extra medical charges, which could be steep?

    That's why IMO hospital expenses for giving birth (or for that matter any medical procedure) should be free of charge or at least very inexpensive as they are throughout the rest of the civilized world.

    It's a tough call. I don't envy women who find themselves in a situation where they have to make that decision.


  31. by islander on June 25, 2022 12:59 pm

    old dude wrote: “The other thing is how we consider what that is. You and Curt consider it like an appendectomy, something that hurts you and you don't want.

    It seems obvious that you don’t actually read my posts.

    As I’ve said before, I don’t think a fertilized egg, a blastocyst, or embryo, etc. is a human person. A fertilized egg, under the right conditions, has the potential to develop into a human person and that is why it has so much more value than just a group of of human cells. 

At some point these human cells can develop into a living human organism with a complex human brain capable of thought, that is, “a mind” which in my opinion is the essence of a person. Without a mind, there can be no person. From the moment on we must recognize that we are talking about two people. Two people in a unique position unlike any other.



  32. by Donna on June 25, 2022 1:21 pm
    I understand the distinction, islander, but there's also the argument that abortion prevents those groups of cells from becoming a person. Most Americans are in favor of allowing those groups of cells to be aborted, though.

  33. by HatetheSwamp on June 25, 2022 1:36 pm

    Overturning Roe will be bad for the Republican Party. It'll give suburban Republican voters pause come election time. -Donna

    I suspect you are wrong.

    My frame of reference, of course, is here in Pennsylvania.

    The two big races are for governor and the US Senate. In our case, both of the Dems are on board with the Women's Health Protection Act which would make abortion available without restriction up to the moment of birth. I don't think suburban voters are down with that.

    I think the Trafalgar poll that came out about a month and a half ago showed the majority of Americans think abortion should be restricted after the first trimester.

    Glenn Youngkin seems to be succeeding in getting a law that makes abortion illegal after 15 weeks.

    It seems to me victory is the suburbs will go to the candidate who can reach people in the middle. Suburbanites are vanilla.

    But, standing for abortion without restriction isn't going to win.

  34. by islander on June 25, 2022 2:23 pm
    "I understand the distinction, islander, but there's also the argument that abortion prevents those groups of cells from becoming a person. Most Americans are in favor of allowing those groups of cells to be aborted, though.",/b>

    You're right, Donna. What I think we have to balance is the rights of an actual living human person, the woman, against the rights of a potential person. As long as the cells are a "potential person", there is no actual person there, only the "abstract concept of a person".

    Most people feel the rights of a person should come first, in this case the it's the right of a woman to be the sole owner of her body verses the rights of of a person who doesn't exist.

    I personally also think that a woman has the right to own her body (bodily autonomy) and the right to make her own decisions concerning it over and above those of a public group of other people.

  35. by islander on June 25, 2022 2:30 pm
    I apologize for the entire response appearing in bold print. Oh how I miss the ability to edit a typo from (,)to (<)! I really miss the old forum's ability to show how our post would actually appear before posting it. That's where I would spot a lot of my typos!

  36. by HatetheSwamp on June 25, 2022 2:30 pm

    Maybe someone should propose a, uh, "'Birthing Persons' Bodily Autonomy Amendment."

    That would clarify the issue.

  37. by islander on June 25, 2022 2:38 pm
    Hate wrote: ”I think the Trafalgar poll that came out about a month and a half ago showed the majority of Americans think abortion should be restricted after the first trimester.”

    And that’s a provision Roe V Wade had in it. It was left up to the states to make those qualifications. I think the Republicans who are applauding the overturning of Roe for political gain are hoping that the American people won’t realize this.



  38. by oldedude on June 25, 2022 6:29 pm
    The decision had nothing to do with the term, or lack thereof in any statute. You are absolutely convinced that it took all options to women away. That is not the case, as Lead and I have stated many, many times.

    There's a business "rule" that says that if a person does not want to give anything up in a negotiation, it's a waste of your time because that's not a negotiation- it's a threat. To argue with you is a nothing less than a threat. The facts in the case mean nothing to you. Ergo, it's a waste of time to discuss this with you.

  39. by islander on June 26, 2022 4:17 am

    Sorry old dude, but I honestly can't figure out what you are trying to say. 🤔

  40. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 4:20 am

    And that’s a provision Roe V Wade had in it. It was left up to the states to make those qualifications. I think the Republicans who are applauding the overturning of Roe for political gain are hoping that the American people won’t realize this.

    I'll speak for myself, but I'm sure I'm speaking for millions.

    Most on our side want the US to be a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people."

    The Dobbs decision makes the regulation of abortion a matter to be determined by the people and their representatives. Fine. Let's just be constitutional Americans.

    That's our win.

    Now, your side, it seems, wants to riot and destroy. We?, we'll work on winning the hearts of the uncommitted.

  41. by islander on June 26, 2022 5:09 am

    ”The Dobbs decision makes the regulation of abortion a matter to be determined by the people and their representatives. Fine. Let's just be constitutional Americans.”

    We could still have slavery and white only public rest rooms in some states if it were interpreted the way you want it to be .

    Hamilton said, “the Court ensured that the will of the whole people, as expressed in their Constitution, would be supreme over the will of a legislature, whose statutes might express only the temporary will of part of the people”

    We could still have slavery and white only public rest rooms in certain states if it were interpreted the way you want it to be .


    “Most Americans support Roe v. Wade but many want some abortion restrictions, poll shows” (NPR)...They want the very same restrictions that Roe V Wade has written into it which of course is why most Americans support it.


  42. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 7:10 am

    When did the Supreme Court end l
    slavery??


  43. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 11:58 am

    "My favorite Chapter in 1984 is when Dicks Sporting Goods offered to pay for their wage slaves to abort their babies." -The Red Headed Libertarian

  44. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 3:32 pm

    "Everyone who's angry right now just needs to think of Roe v. Wade as a precious, defenseless little baby being ripped apart with forceps and discarded in the trash. They've never found that kind of thing sad or distressing before." -Seth Dillon (B Bee)

  45. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 3:35 pm

    "Why do all these pro-abortion dudes want vasectomies when their balls are in their girlfriend’s purses anyway" -Jordan Chamberlain (Free Beacon)

  46. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2022 5:17 pm

    "Glad to see everyone is back to knowing what a woman is." -OrangeMan, Jr.

  47. by Donna on June 26, 2022 5:31 pm
    Legally there's no distinction between me and a ciswoman (naturally born).

  48. by oldedude on June 26, 2022 8:24 pm
    "“Most Americans support Roe v. Wade but many want some abortion restrictions, poll shows” (NPR)...They want the very same restrictions that Roe V Wade has written into it which of course is why most Americans support it."

    So have your state adopt it. It really is that simple.

  49. by Donna on June 26, 2022 8:26 pm
    You tell 'em od! Fuck the women in those states who want to get an abortion!

  50. by oldedude on June 26, 2022 10:20 pm
    You really need to actually crack open the constitution and take a real class on it. It was a horrible decision. That was agreed on by several liberal scholars including RBG. If you want to live somewhere else with a strong central government, find one that will take you.

  51. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 4:23 am

    Fuck the women in those states who want to get an abortion!

    F Bomb? Et tu, pt?

    The point is, by definition, some man already did.


  52. by islander on June 27, 2022 4:28 am

    old dude-
    Stephen A. Douglas used the same argument when he said, ““I deny the right of Congress to force a slave-holding State upon an unwilling people,” he also said, “I deny their right to force a free State upon an unwilling people"…

    “The great principle is the right of every community to judge and decide for itself” ... “Uniformity in local and domestic affairs,” he said, “would be destructive of State rights, of State sovereignty, of personal liberty and personal freedom”, except of course for the personal liberty and personal freedom of the slaves themselves.

    Naturally, the slave holding states agreed wholeheartedly with Douglas.

    The same dynamics are going on today...let “each state” decide whether to let a woman have the freedom to make a choice.

    ”It [RVW] was a horrible decision. That was agreed on by several liberal scholars including RBG.”

    What RBG “actually” said was that she felt deciding Roe V Wade under an implied right to privacy was not the strongest way to go. She thought the better handle would have been the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

  53. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 4:59 am

    isle,

    Even Lincoln waited for the south to secede. I think you're exaggerating Douglas' evil in standing up for the Constitution.

    The same dynamics are going on today...let “each state” decide whether to let a woman have the freedom to make a choice.

    But isle, but isle, "We the people..." have a Bill of Rights!

    I say this from time to time, and I'm not entirely joking:

    This is the United States. Our Declaration of Independence states the belief that our rights come from God, and that makes you squirm. And, our Bill of Rights grants liberty to citizens...and, as the Supreme Court just acknowledged...to the states. You just made it plain that that notion is repulsive to you.

    You already moved as far north as Maine. Why don't you just scoot up to Canada? That way, you won't have to deal with people who've been granted rights from governmental intrusion.

  54. by islander on June 27, 2022 6:13 am

    "But isle, but isle, "We the people..." have a Bill of Rights!"

    Thankfully we do! But there will always be people like yourself who will try to pervert it and try to use it to take away other people's freedoms and rights.

    Except that you have to accept the fact that a woman is free to make a choice, a woman's freedom to choose forces nothing on you. But you want to take that freedom away from her.

  55. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 6:20 am

    Bingo, isle!

    But, admit it. You weren't talking about a woman's right to choose...

    ...not to be vaxed, not to wear a mask and not to be shutdown.

    Based on your participation here the only choice I know that you support is for a woman to kill her unborn baby.

  56. by islander on June 27, 2022 6:26 am

    "But, admit it. You weren't talking about a woman's right to choose..."

    You're becoming more delusional all the time.

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