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Two federal laws if enacted would all but end school shooting and save thousands of American lives.

By Curt_Anderson
May 31, 2022 12:10 pm
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The vast majority of school shooters are under 21 years of age. Raising the federal age to purchase and possess guns to 21 and enacting federal laws requiring safe storage of guns would stop most of these school shooting mass murder events. It would also end most intentional and accidental gun deaths. Some states have already enacted such laws; there is no Second Amendment or constitutional prohibitions against such laws.


Source: Database project undertaken by the Washington Post that tracks every act of gunfire at a primary or secondary school during school hours since the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999.



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  1. washingtonpost.com
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  1. by HatetheSwamp on May 31, 2022 12:56 pm

    I think these are the sort of "common sense" gun related measures that have a chance.

    Now, if the Doddering Old Fool can keep his effin mouth shut about buying cannons in the 1790s and 9mm pistols blowing the lungs out of the body...

    You participated in foisting him on us!


    newsweek.com


  2. by islander on May 31, 2022 1:55 pm

    Curt-those, along with the recommendations Heather mentioned, are some of the sensible steps that not might reduce firearms deaths in our country, but will reduce them. I think (hope) this latest school shooting right after the mass shooting in Buffalo has had enough of an impact on most of the people in our country that this time maybe it will move enough Republicans over to the side of sanity and they can finally start doing what they must know is the right thing.

    However if Hate has accurately portrayed the way he and his fellow Republicans think (and I hope he is wrong), then rationality will not play much of a part in their thinking and sadly, this will be just like all the past shootings...pushed to the back burner after a few weeks until it happens again.

    I get the feeling though that "somehow" something has changed this time and the American people are finally going to stand up and say enough is enough and demand action.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on May 31, 2022 3:12 pm

    isle,

    I've been surprised that even among the people on the right most deeply disturbed by the events in Uvalde and Buffalo, the Second Amendment represents resistance to governmental tyranny.

    I thoroughly support common sense regulation of firearms but I'll say, again, that your side dug yourselves a deep hole with much of America by trying to beat us over the head with your pandemic mandates, shut downs and Big Brother assaults on Bill of Rights liberties.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on May 31, 2022 3:43 pm
    HtS, you give lip service to commonsense gun laws, but that's about it. You continue to vote for those who carry the NRA's water and oppose any steps that might reduce gun deaths.

    You simply are not bothered enough by thousands of dead children annually to cast your vote for a politician who will pass commonsense gun laws. In Republican thinking, children who have exited the birth canal don't matter


  5. by HatetheSwamp on May 31, 2022 3:49 pm

    Uh uh, Curt.

    What I do is vote against people who'd wink and nod at Big Brother tyranny. DO wink and nod.

    The one way the pandemic changed me is my increased awareness of the fact that the great political divide in the US is over freedom and tyranny.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on May 31, 2022 4:38 pm
    HtS,
    You are making my point. To you, government telling people who congregate to wear a mask during a pandemic is tyranny. Thousands of kids preventably dying from gun shots every year is met with your shrug.

    13 soldiers dying while doing their job is a catastrophe. The hundreds of soldiers who died in Afghanistan before them and would have died after them isn't an issue with you.





  7. by HatetheSwamp on May 31, 2022 5:08 pm

    Your point was about who I vote for. I have no doubt that my guy in House is in the bag for the NRA and I'm not happy about that but y'nes proved how hard you'll fight to practice tyranny over mandates and shutdowns. You kept it up long after it was clear what COVID was.

    When it comes to something like assaulting the Second Amendment, one can only imagine how far you'd go or what you'd do.

    I'm more than happy to regulate weapons in many ways. However, there are few, on either side, who are being sensical. In cases when crazies on both sides rule, I will always choose liberty.


  8. by islander on June 1, 2022 5:07 am

    Curt, you nailed it...Hate’s thinking is typical of of the currant Trump supporting base of the Republican party. Most of them that I engage with have become cynical. I’ve seen them change over time from avid Trump lovers and supporters to “I know he is a terrible, disgusting and dishonest person, but he was a wonderful president”..and finally, “both parties are no good but yours is worse”.

    They are still trying to rationalize the party’s behavior in order to explain why they will continue to vote for the...but there thinking is not rational. You know the old saying, “Man is not the rational animal, man is the animal that rationalizes”.

    Hate is angry that he had to wear a mask in public places during a pandemic. So in his mind, he is able work that out to justify his support for politicians who will block any measures by Democrats and will continue to insure that nothing will be done to actually help prevent mass shootings and the slaughter of our children in our schools. Sadly, I’m afraid nothing will change until they do.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 1, 2022 5:54 am

    isle,

    You're so wrong about pb and masks. pb has said many times that he wears a mask more than anyone he knows. pb has allergies. He's found that the mask makes his breathing more comfortable.

    The inconvenient truth in all of this now is that pb himself is very moderate on this gun thing. pb himself would support many regulations on gun ownership.

    What pb's saying is two things.

    1. He's shocked how vociferous non gun owning people on the right are about their fear of governmental tyranny. There's a train of thinking on the right that pb'd never picked up on before that they think of the Second Amendment as being a check on the overreach of Big Brother. A lot of the resistance to strong gun laws comes from people who don't own a gun and never will. This is not only about NRA brainwashed morons. What's dangerous to you is that it's about sober minded defenders of individual liberty.

    2. Your side made this issue worse than it had to be in the pandemic when we could see you becoming orgasmic at the opportunity to suppress individual freedom through mandates and shut downs long after people driven by common sense understood that what you wanted to do had more to do with your desire to control than the following of science.

    Oh, and your making this about Trump? Cute.


  10. by islander on June 1, 2022 6:22 am

    We think it is rational to require that people wear masks in public places during a pandemic.

    Hate’s thinking goes like this ”Your side made this issue worse than it had to be in the pandemic when we could see you becoming orgasmic at the opportunity to suppress individual freedom through mandates”

    Therefor, that justifies Hate’s vote for politicians who will block any gun restrictions that would help prevent mass shootings and the slaughter of our children in our schools. It’s not his fault that he votes for those politicians, it’s ours.

    Of course !!! 🙄


  11. by HatetheSwamp on June 1, 2022 6:39 am

    Two words:

    Second Amendment.

    We care about it. You want to abuse it.


  12. by islander on June 1, 2022 9:41 am

    Your response was just "Second Amendment"

    Do you think there is something wrong with the second amendment?

    Do you think that if a state had a well regulated militia, it could really protect the state if they weren’t allowed to have guns?

    I think ordinary citizens should, like the militia, have the right to own a gun too, and just like I wouldn’t want an armed unregulated militia, I don’t want an unregulated armed populace.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 4:24 am

    Do you think that if a state had a well regulated militia, it could really protect the state if they weren’t allowed to have guns?

    Protect the state? No.

    I think that individual citizens, having armed themselves, could form a militia to overturn governmental tyranny.

    I mentioned the Second Amendment because the Supreme Court has interpreted it over the centuries and, in spite of what isle would like to think it means, it means what the Court says it means.

    I'm very interested to see the decision that will come down in less than a month on that New York case. It's possible that individual citizens will be even more empowered to arm themselves.


  14. by islander on June 2, 2022 5:37 am

    So you say you don't think a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

    "I think that individual citizens, having armed themselves, could form a militia to overturn governmental tyranny."

    But here's what the 2nd Amendment says;

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"



  15. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 5:46 am

    Yeah, isle. That nasty four letter word, "FREE."

    That my point. The Second Amendment is an insurance policy against the tyranny of the state.

    “We need a revolution every 20 years just to keep government honest.” ~Thomas Jefferson



  16. by islander on June 2, 2022 6:49 am

    Quote the part of Constitution that supports what you just said.

    I quoted the part that supported what I said.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 7:27 am

    It's not in the Constitution. It's in the Bill of Rights.

    You're correct. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Just a reminder. I'm not bonkers on gun rights, personally.

    Yet, more and more, freedom matters to Americans.

    I'm telling you what people on the right...and more dangerous for people like you...libertarians think.

    Freedom is big in this country and, since Blue Big Brother overreach during the pandemic, it's getting bigger all the time.

    Resistance to strong measures in infringing on the right of citizens to own weapons is, no longer, just for NRA wackos. It's all the rage among many who are not Blue MAGA progressive Swampcultists...

    ...people love that word, "free" in the Second Amendment.


  18. by islander on June 2, 2022 8:02 am

    The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right to keep and bear arms along with nine other articles of the Bill of Rights.

    ”I'm telling you what people on the right...and more dangerous for people like you...libertarians think.”

    So you’re not telling us what “you” think? Why not?

    The folks here are well aware of what the people on the right think and we all know the arguments they use to try to justify their position.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 8:06 am

    pb is sure you DON'T know what people on the right think.

    pb has been clear about what he thinks. Generally, he's less strident than most on the right and most libertarians. That's the bad news for your ilk.


  20. by islander on June 2, 2022 8:23 am

    "pb is sure you DON'T know what people on the right think".

    You can tell pb that I said he is dead wrong. I was raised in a large ultra-conservative family, one of whom who has gone from being a libertarian to an anarchist. I have family members who can argue the right's position on guns better than pb.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 9:10 am

    I only know that the position of the right is normally presented with hyperbole here.

    But, you're right. Compared to the rest of you, pb is a right wing mongo extremist. But, in reality, pb is rather moderate.


  22. by islander on June 2, 2022 2:58 pm

    So if that's "all you know", then you can't possibly tell me what I know or don't know about what people on the right think about this issue.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on June 2, 2022 3:30 pm

    What I'll say, isle, is that either you don't UNDERSTAND what the right thinks...or you are dishonest about it.


  24. by islander on June 2, 2022 4:08 pm

    Why do you say that?

    Any kind of example of something, "any thing", that you can show me that the right thinks that don't already know?



  25. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2022 3:55 am

    Any kind of example of something, "any thing", that you can show me that the right thinks that don't already know?

    I think there's a pronoun missing near the end there.


    But, generally, I'll say this, which, I think, accurately describes your posts. That GOPaphobic tripe from Heather that you frequently post here never has truth in it because it's so intent on putting the people who love individual liberty in a negative light that its...YOUR...strawman is entirely disconnected from reality. She...YOU...seem so intent on making your rhetorical point that you can't let the truth be true.

    I've always suspected that you do know what the right thinks but that you hate it so desperately that you need to exaggerate it in describing it...and you have a soul mate in hate with Heather.


  26. by islander on June 3, 2022 5:04 am

    ”That GOPaphobic tripe from Heather that you frequently post here never has truth in it “

    That simply means that when you hear or read something from Heather that you can’t accept or don’t want to accept...It can’t possibly be true...

    Your “truth” as you say so often is not objective truth, but rather your truth is subjective...so when you say there is never any truth in what Heather writes, it’s really a meaningless statement (except to yourself) that has nothing to do with objective truth.

    Objective truth is what honest people strive for.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2022 5:46 am

    What I said about Heather (and you) is that, informed as you may be, your perceptions are so polluted by hate that, in the end, there's no chance that you'll be objective.

    One Heather example is seared into my brain because of its objective absurdity. She concluded very early on, that, if the Russia/Ukraine thing is to go well, it's up to the Republicans.

    The truth has been that everything about that war is up to the congressional Dems and the Former Truck Driver. The Dems control everything about the US connected to that war. GOPs don't have the White House and they are the minority on Capitol Hill.

    But, Heather was attempting to lay the Nazi-like groundwork for making GOPs out to be the Jews if Ukraine goes tits up.

    I'll amend, That GOPaphobic tripe from Heather that you frequently post here never has truth in it.

    I misspoke. The danger in Heather is that she is eminently informed but that, when she gets to her bottom line, she's all hate speech. Heather's stuff ALWAYS has truth in it. But, in the end, her stuff is never true.


    And, as you say, of course, objective truth is what people strive for.

    The point is that people who lack the courage to accept the reality that they bring themselves to every situation, will never get above their own preferences and prejudices to discover what is objectively truth. People like that always, in the end, finish exactly where they started.


  28. by islander on June 3, 2022 5:58 am

    "One Heather example is seared into my brain because of its objective absurdity. She concluded very early on, that, if the Russia/Ukraine thing is to go well, it's up to the Republicans."

    Please quote Heather and the date she said that.


  29. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2022 6:00 am

    No.

    You think I, having no imagination, could make that up?

    C'mon man, gimme a break!


  30. by Donna on June 6, 2022 3:25 pm
    The sex of the shooters is almost always male, and the sex of mass murderers IS always male.

    Any ideas on why that's so?


  31. by Curt_Anderson on June 6, 2022 3:41 pm
    Testosterone.

    I have half-jokingly suggested that we could cut crime rates by 90% if we locked up all males between the ages of 15 and 25.


  32. by Donna on June 6, 2022 3:45 pm
    Bingo


  33. by HatetheSwamp on June 7, 2022 3:05 am

    Males, and almost always without his father living in the home.


  34. by islander on June 7, 2022 11:17 am
    Friend of mine posted this on fb.

    "Wouldn't our roads be much safer if everyone carried a gun? There would be no road rage whatsoever!"

    Said no one, ever!



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