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Are Republicans like the dog who caught the car?

By Curt_Anderson
May 8, 2022 9:12 am
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For nearly 50 years Republicans have been making their anti-abortion sentiments a central pillar of their identity. But now that overturning Roe v Wade seems to be at hand you don't see Republicans touting it.
By Republicans I am not so much referring to the state legislatures which are calling for murder charges against mothers who seek abortions or other extremists. I'm talking about the national Republicans. I am not seeing them rallying the party faithful and crowing about their apparent Supreme Court victory.

Maybe this silence is because Republicans realize that most people are against the sort of draconian bans on abortion that is currently being legislated in places like Louisiana, Mississippi and other red states.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2022 11:08 am

    I am not seeing them rallying the party faithful and crowing about their apparent Supreme Court victory.

    I'm curious. Where have you been looking?

    Here in Pennsylvania, I'm seeing GOPs scrambling, as the Primary approaches, to stake out their claim to be THE Pro Life candidate.

    To be fair, I'm not sure "crowing" is what should be looking for. Screaming, na na na na na na!, wouldn't be good politics.

    I'm not seeing regret from the GOPs.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on May 8, 2022 11:29 am
    I am looking at Mitch McConnell and the national party leaders. Strangely silent.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2022 11:42 am

    I don't think of Mitch as a firebrand. Nevertheless...
    thehill.com


  4. by Donna on May 8, 2022 11:46 am
    Curt said "I am not seeing them rallying the party faithful and crowing about their apparent Supreme Court victory", not about being "pro-life".

    I think that maybe a conservative SC justice leaked the draft opinion as a trial balloon to see how the public reacts before they make a final decision.


  5. by islander on May 10, 2022 4:13 am

    The majority of the people in this country support Roe vs Wade.

    Very few people that I know, except for some of the hopeful extremists, ever thought Roe was really in danger of being overturned. This has many of them now fully realizing that their votes really do have consequences and the idea that the politicians we elect really can not only overturn Roe, but really can take away any civil rights that are guaranteed under our constitution.

    Suddenly the idea that equal treatment for all under the law is no longer safe, and even making contraceptives illegal is now much more of a genuine possibility and not something “that could never happen”.

    All of this could change the results of the mid-terms in ways that the pundits and the media never expected.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on May 10, 2022 5:01 am

    ...really can take away any civil rights that are guaranteed under our constitution.

    Suddenly the idea that equal treatment for all under the law is no longer safe, and even making contraceptives illegal is now much more of a genuine possibility and not something “that could never happen”.

    All of this could change the results of the mid-terms in ways that the pundits and the media never expected.


    Y'know, isle. I suspect that you are describing a small number of ill informed, irrational people and if this were, say, November 1, I'd think that there's a chance that the Dems might get a micro bump in voting.

    Interestingly, early yesterday I entered a few posts here and then ran off to the grocery store to pick up a few things. Around here, the latest outbreak of avian flu is huuuuuuuuuge and eggs prices are skyrocketing.

    In real life, I'm a mind my own business kind of guy. I buy my stuff check out, hop into my Toyota hybrid and go home. But, not yesterday. Two women chatted me up in the store...

    ...to talk about egg prices, prices of everything and empty shelves.

    Nary a word about Samuel Alito.

    People care about how much it costs to eat and to drive and how empty shelves are. Heck! Yesterday, I got one of the last rolls of Saran Wrap!

    Around here, no one's blaming Alito for that. Joe Biden’s name is taken in vain from time to time.

    Please keep hopin that pro choicers are going to flood the polls SIX MONTHS from now. Hope's a good thing.

    But, the ill informed irrational thinking you described is just that.

    No one is going to be traveling door to door confiscating condoms, birth control pills and IUDs. Planned Parenthood's doors will still be open. Abortion will be a minor campaign issue...for both sides..
    as potential news laws are contemplated.

    Pro lifers will be more animated than ever, too...and they've been organized to get out the vote and have been doing it effectively for decades.


  7. by islander on May 10, 2022 1:07 pm

    ""People care about how much it costs to eat and to drive and how empty shelves are. Heck! Yesterday, I got one of the last rolls of Saran Wrap!
    Joe Biden’s name is taken in vain from time to time."
    ...and... "Y'know, isle. I suspect that you are describing a small number of ill informed, irrational people" ---Hate

    Around here, no one's blaming Alito for that. I don't know what the people who live in your area might be like but why would you even think they might blame Alito for inflation and/or the shortages...Or blame Biden for that matter?

    Around here at least, the rational and reasonably intelligent folks probably have a better basic understanding of economics which is why not many blame Biden for this let alone Alito. Do you too think Biden is responsible for inflation and shortages ?

    If not, when they try to blame the President, do you do anything to try and help the eople in your area to better understand the actual causes of this round of world wide inflation and shortages ?

    "Pro lifers will be more animated than ever, too...and they've been organized to get out the vote and have been doing it effectively for decades."

    Except that pro-choicers vastly outnumber antiabortionists in our country and they outnumber them in "every" state. And don't forget, they will now be highly motivated more than ever to get out and vote now that they can actually see the consequences of not voting.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on May 10, 2022 3:27 pm

    Except that pro-choicers vastly outnumber antiabortionists in our country and they outnumber them in "every" state. And don't forget, they will now be highly motivated more than ever to get out and vote now that they can actually see the consequences of not voting.

    Delude yourself with your silly little word games as much as you need to but...

    ...a nice size majority of Americans actually support the provisions of that notorious Mississippi law.



    More Americans Support 15-Week Abortion Ban—But Don’t Want Stricter Restrictions—Poll Finds

    "A slightly larger share of Americans supports a 15-week abortion ban—which more states are passing and the Supreme Court could soon greenlight—than oppose it, a new Wall Street Journal poll finds, even as most still want abortion to be legal before that point.

    The poll found 48% of respondents at least somewhat support restricting abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy, while 43% oppose it.

    The share of those who strongly oppose a 15-week ban is higher than the share that strongly support it, however (34% versus 31%)."


    I guess it depends how you define pro choice, eh!!!!!?

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh.



    forbes.com


  9. by islander on May 11, 2022 5:37 am

    Hate

    Of course it depends on how you define pro-choice. Those who support Roe vs Wade are pro-choice. By a 2 to 1 margin, the majority of Americans say Roe vs Wade should be upheld…That’s double those who want to see it overturned.


  10. by islander on May 11, 2022 6:03 am
    Here's the site:
    washingtonpost.com


  11. by HatetheSwamp on May 11, 2022 10:02 am

    Because of SwampMedia propaganda, most people think that if Roe is overturned abortion will be outlawed. That ain't true.

    Truth: A comfortable plurality agrees with the provisions of the Mississippi law.

    These'll be tough times for people who insist on a law like the WHPA.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on May 11, 2022 10:19 am
    HtS,
    Louisiana lawmakers have advanced a bill that would abolish abortion in the state, grant constitutional rights to “all unborn children from the moment of fertilization” and classify abortion as a homicide crime.

    How is that not outlawing abortion?


  13. by HatetheSwamp on May 11, 2022 11:36 am

    I'm confident that Oregon won't copy that law.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on May 11, 2022 11:47 am
    As am I confident that Oregon won't follow Louisiana's lead. So what?

    You said abortion won't be outlawed. That's obviously not true. It's clearly the intent of the Louisiana legislature. It's true that you refuse to admit the truth.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on May 11, 2022 12:13 pm

    Abortion will not be illegal...just like slavery wasn't illegal until The Emancipation Proclamation.

    Alito's opinion doesn't make abortion illegal.

    As far as Louisiana is concerned, if you believe life begins at conception...


  16. by Curt_Anderson on May 11, 2022 2:18 pm
    HtS,
    You have a distant and uncomfortable relationship with the truth.

    I never said that Alito or the Supreme Court makes abortion illegal. The Supreme Court doesn't make laws but they can overturn existing laws. Congress makes laws and the Supreme Court can rule them unconstitutional or not.

    The Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave. It did not permanently make slavery illegal. Like any executive order, it was only in force if and until a subsequent president undid the order. When Lincoln wrote the proclamation it only applied the US (then the northern states) which was slave-free. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery.

    The obvious effect of Alito's decision is that abortion will become illegal in Louisiana and probably elsewhere. I don't know how you deny can that apparent truth.



  17. by HatetheSwamp on May 12, 2022 8:22 am

    The Supreme Court doesn't make laws but they can overturn existing laws. Congress makes laws and the Supreme Court can rule them unconstitutional or not.

    Bullferner.

    The moment the Supreme Court issued its Obergefell decision, same sex marriage became law in Pennsylvania.



  18. by Curt_Anderson on May 12, 2022 8:44 am
    HtS,
    I am correct and you are willfully misinformed. There are no laws on the book in Pennsylvania or anywhere else in America addressing same-sex marriage.

    There WERE however laws that did address (forbidding) same-sex marriage but the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional and they have since been removed.

    To further put your mind at ease, in Pennsylvania and everywhere else same-sex marriage is an option and not mandatory.


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