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The new McCarthyism, like the original, is about destroying public institutions
By Donna
April 23, 2022 8:02 pm
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Christopher Rufo, a right-wing provocateur who helped instigate both the panics against “critical race theory” and against L.G.B.T.Q. educators in schools, has openly said that he hopes to destroy public education in the United States.

“We are right now preparing a strategy of laying siege to the institutions,” he said last November in an interview with my colleague Michelle Goldberg. In a recent speech, delivered to an audience at the conservative Hillsdale College [Betsy DeVos is a major donor], Rufo declared that “to get universal school choice you really need to operate from a premise of universal public school distrust.”

So according to Christopher Rufo, the real goal is "universal school choice", and the method is the attacks we've been seeing against public schools.

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on April 23, 2022 8:58 pm
    HtS and his sort imagine themselves to protectors of freedom. In fact they boast about it. A favorite of theirs is the freedom to infect others with COVID. But they happily stifle the free speech freedom of teachers, especially gay teachers.

  2. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 3:55 am

    I'm amused.

    What is offensive about offering parents and students school choice?

    Obviously, you think that's bad but, as far as I can tell, you never splain why.

  3. by Donna on April 24, 2022 7:38 am
    We can have a reasonable discussion about school voucher programs (see link below), which is what we're really talking about when we discuss school choice programs.

    My purpose for posting this topic thread was to inform everyone who clicked on it that the underlying agenda that's driving all of these attacks on public schools is school choice, a.k.a. voucher programs.
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  4. by islander on April 24, 2022 3:18 pm

    "What is offensive about offering parents and students school choice?"

    Nothing !!! They already have that choice.

    Parents in our country are obligated to insure that their child is educated. They can even do it themselves at home or they can send them to a private or parochial school if they so choose. However, public schools are provided and open to the public. This insures that the majority of our kids can and will receive an education and this, for perfectly good reasons, is the choice for 90% of American families. We all benefit from it.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 4:28 am

    Wow, isle!

    Right out of 1930s Stalinism.

    Here, in the good ol USA, a Representative Republic, "a nation of the people, by the people and the people," the public as po would say, effin, schools serve the people.

    Schools exist for the parents and the students. PUBLIC schools are around for the convenience of, as the Preamble says, "We the people."

    It's your mindset that Orwell feared and warned against.

    Fortunately, when parents observed the hateful wokeness of CRT, during the pandemic, they understood that schools serve them not, as you seem to believe, vice versa.

  6. by islander on April 25, 2022 6:10 am

    Like I said, “Parents in our country are obligated to insure that their child is educated. They can even do it themselves at home or they can send them to a private or parochial school if they so choose.”

    I find it odd that you would think that because I believe in allowing parents a choice of schools, my position on this is, as you say, “the mindset that Orwell feared and warned against”

  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 6:33 am

    isle,

    You don't UNDERSTAND!

    In a nation of the people, by the people and for the people...

    ...the effin people get to decide what choices they have. Big Brother doesn't get to create a one size fits all menu.

    I'm sorry for you that Stalin is dead and that this is not the USSR. If you're really uncomfortable with the freedom that is ours, I think that Putin is trying to restore the glories of Stalin in Russia.

    My guess is that here, in 022 and 024, Americans are going to choose liberty.

  8. by islander on April 25, 2022 7:14 am

    ” ...the effin people get to decide what choices they have. Big Brother doesn't get to create a one size fits all menu.”

    Is it that you don’t really believe “the people” get to choose whether to enroll their child in a private school, a public school, or home school them? Or is it that you know they have such choices but you don’t think they should be able to make those kinds of choices?

    Or maybe (?) you don’t think the state should say the parents have a duty to ensure that their children get an education?

    I’m not really sure who you are arguing with… Maybe pb?



  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 7:23 am

    Oh, I'm chatting with you, though I don't think we're arguing. Clearly, you don't UNDERSTAND.

    You seem to think that, in our Republic "of the people, by the people and for the people," Big Brother gets to limit citizens' options.

    I imagine that it's meaningful that you won't comprehend that, here, government serves the people, not vice versa.

  10. by Donna on April 25, 2022 8:17 am
    We elected our governments, though.

  11. by islander on April 25, 2022 8:44 am

    Of course our government can restrict people’s options and you are glad that it can (as am I).

    You still haven’t answered a single one of my questions or even touched upon anything I’ve said.

    You are posting nothing substantive, you are simply posting your own random imaginings.

    Unless you can put forth an intelligent response relevant to the subject of a parent's right to choose a school of their choice I see no point in continuing this discussion with you.

  12. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 9:34 am

    I think I am responding to what you're posting. My sense is that you're, what?, so enmeshed in your Big Brother-ism...which seems to be on the wane in America...that it's becoming hard to stretch across the divide.

  13. by Donna on April 25, 2022 9:41 am
    Big Brotherism is on the increase in Florida where Big Brother was elected.

  14. by Curt_Anderson on April 25, 2022 9:48 am
    The school choice advocates have a lot of chutzpah. They already have a choice as to where they can send their kids to school. What they really want is everybody else via government funding to pay for their kids' religious indoctrination.

    They're only complaint about BigBrother, AKA government, is that they aren't getting enough freebies from the government.

    By the way there are plenty of people who pay their taxes without whining including taxes that go towards the schools that don't have kids and never did have kids.

  15. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2022 3:54 am

    What a hoot, Curt. By your definition, choice means telling McDonald's customers they can only pick between a Quarter Pounder and McNuggets and that's choice.

    But, you don't get to write the McDonald's menu.

  16. by Curt_Anderson on April 28, 2022 9:12 am
    No, your McDonald's scenario is not a good analogy. McDonald's is a private enterprise. You have the right to order anything on their menu.

    A better analogy to the public school situation would be a government run soup kitchen. People thinking like you would insist that they be served cherry pie or a mug of beer instead of soup.

    Where does this insistence upon government provided choice stop? Your side wants school choice. Should there be a prison choice for convicts? Some I'm sure would like a more religious incarceration. What about library choice? Maybe folks like you could have a special place where there are no books dealing with sexuality.

  17. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2022 11:44 am

    Where does this insistence upon government provided choice stop?

    That's not my point.

    My point is that public schools serve citizens and there's no limit to what free citizens can ask of the educational system that exists for the good of citizens.

    As a political matter, as long as schools turn their noses up to the concerns of parents, the GOP wins.

    So, thanks.

  18. by islander on April 29, 2022 5:33 am
    "As a political matter, as long as schools turn their noses up to the concerns of parents, the GOP wins."

    The concerns of which parents?

    For example:

    The parents who want their children to learn science in a science class, or the ones who want creation stories taught in science classes "as science"?

    What is it that you think the GOP will win if the schools turn their noses up to the concerns of parents who want their children to learn science in science classes, or the other way around?

    What about the parents who want teachers to read from the "King James Version" of the bible only? And yes there have been battles over that,in 1838 the State Legislature of Pennsylvania passed a law stating that the Protestant King James Bible was a mandatory textbook in public schools, What about parents that don't want the state involved in influencing their children's religious beliefs?

    Which of those parents positions would the schools have to not go along with in order for the GOP to "win"?

    You see, Hate, your statement tells us nothing.

  19. by HatetheSwamp on April 29, 2022 5:46 am

    in 1838

    That's your best shot, eh.

    Being from Pennsylvania myself, I'll be keeping an eye out for those compelling 1838 campaign ads in our purple state 022 election.

    One word. Glenn Youngkin.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on April 29, 2022 6:02 am

    Post 1838, isle:

    The issue in 022 is parents being riled over teachers and school boards getting busted, during the pandemic, for attempting to foist woke-ism on America.

    Take a gander at the link. Ron DeSantis is becoming a rock star now that Disney employees attempted to win a Culture War battle over that little Florida law.

    As Pet Clark sang, IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES.


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  21. by islander on April 29, 2022 6:26 am

    You still don’t get it Hate…you are doing nothing more than presenting your concerns, ignoring the concerns of others and then complaing that the schools are turning up their noses to “your” concerns when a school chooses the concerns of the other parents

    With regard to mask mandates in school; some parents are concerned about the health of their children and their families and are in favor of mask mandates. Other parents, for their own reasons, don’t want their kids to have to wear a mask in school.

    You are simply stating the obvious. Parents and everyone else will vote for the party that they feel is most in line with their concerns.

  22. by HatetheSwamp on April 29, 2022 6:47 am

    Who mentioned masks?

    What we can benchmark is voting patterns.

    I spend a lot of time in Virginia. Terry McAuliffe was running campaign ads waaaaaaaaaay more than a year before the 021 gubernatorial election...in a very bluish purple state, as a popular former governor..looooooooong before he had an opponent.

    Up until two weeks before the election, I couldn't imagine that McAuliffe could lose, nor could the polls.

    But, there was a movement among white suburban parents against woke-ism in their kids' school that lost McAuliffe the election.

    That momentum has spread. It splains the surprising popularity of the, uh, Don't Say Gay law in Florida and the law's increased popularity since Disney wokesters declared war.

  23. by islander on April 29, 2022 6:53 am

    "Who mentioned masks?

    I did.

  24. by HatetheSwamp on April 29, 2022 7:45 am

    Sorry. I thought you thought you were responding to me.

    My sense of it that mask fascism has moved Americans toward the libertarian side.

    BTW, I still wear a mask more than anyone else I know...

    ...as my choice.

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