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Subject: Bert Hellinger's TransGenerational Family Constellation Work

12/10/03

Anonymous wrote to Lorie:

I personally have experienced Hellinger's work and find it quite powerful. Yes, I did feel the feelings of the person I was representing in the constellation. Because we are always free to tap into any block of Universal Consciousness where every thought, feeling and experience is recorded as a vibrational frequency, we can access anything that has ever gone before us, even when it is not our own personal experience. I can understand your skepticism if you have not participated in this work. But I can tell you that I was impressed, and I have been involved in alternative therapies for about 25 years.

If you would like to learn more, feel free to contact me.

Lorie responded:

12/11/03

Thank you for writing.

A variety of interactive experiences can feel powerful to those involved, especially among those predisposed to be amenable to it, but that doesn't say anything to me about its efficacy as a psychotherapy. Only objective tests can measure that. To me, the premises have to make sense, at least, and they don't.

How do you know you felt exactly what the other person felt? Many people who are represented in this therapy are deceased and no one can know what the person would say. Even if a living person agreed that you were feeling the same things they felt or feel, people have so much in common that it wouldn't be surprising to me. What you experienced could simply have been human commonality. Even across cultures, especially in this day and age, humans are very similar, but it would at least be more interesting to see how well people do when representing people from vastly different cultures.

Some tests could be set up, though, to see if representatives reliably pick up on the feelings of the people they represent by doing blinded, controlled experiments conducted by an objective party. Perhaps the James Randi Education Foundation would accept an application by Hellinger or one of Hellinger's supporters to see if they can demonstrate efficacy of this therapy -- and win a million dollar award if they do.

Meanwhile, Hellinger says we must not question the mystery, just let it happen, so I bet he would not approve of any unbiased, blinded studies. Also, Hellinger admits he dismisses a family constellation if it isn't working. That's convenient, to promote a therapeutic method as effective while dismissing those groups that don't appear to be meeting his expected positive results.

What is your evidence that every thought, feeling and experience of everyone who ever lived is retained as a permanent record in the form of vibrational frequencies? But, let's assume for a second that you're correct. There may have been 106,456,367,669 people who were ever born, according to one well-considered estimate that I found online. We must also consider how many other creatures with thoughts, feelings, and experiences have ever lived. Let's call that number U, for an unimaginably enormous number. Meanwhile, we each must have had an astronomical number of feelings, thoughts, and experiences in our lifetimes. Let's call that number R, for a ridiculously huge number. So now we have 106,456,367,669 + R(ridiculously enormous number of other creatures) x U(unimaginably huge number of feelings, thoughts, experiences) 3D the number of vibrational frequencies floating around.

Given that number, you are asking me to believe that if you stand with a group of people, you can pull out just the right vibrational frequency to match the person who you are asked to represent? I find it easier to believe that it's the power of suggestion and selective thinking, and human commonality, among other typical human traits, that could cause people to believe they are feeling the same thing as someone else.

That said, nevertheless, I'm glad you personally found this therapy to be powerful.

Thanks for writing.

Lorie

Anonymous responded:

12/12/03

Hello Lorie, I find your response quite interesting. You might be right and I have no way to prove otherwise. I personally believe the consciousness of the researchers affects the outcomes in the same way a person's biases are factors in the outcome of muscle testing, if you are familiar with that. Always, the intention must be pure.

As far as ferreting out frequencies that are specific, absolutely. You can tap into the universal data bank in the same way you tap into a computer data bank, through thought intention...that gives you access to all information you specifically request. (Emphasis Lorie's.) However, your personal processing of that information is affected by your subconscious filters or resonance that affects the results. So, it is all very subjective but very powerful to the experienced person who knows how to work with this fabulous array of frequencies. I have enjoyed our exchange but will have to disconnect at this point. I wish you well with what you are doing and suspect our paths will cross again at some future time. Feel free to use my email but please do not include my full name or company name. thank you.

Anonymous

Note from Lorie: "Anonymous" got the last word in this dialog but I got the last laugh -- to suggest that you tap into a computer data bank through "thought Intention." It's laughable and sad at the same time -- sad because I worry about where this fungus of magical thinking is heading us. People use computers and the Internet to espouse (and market) their airy-fairy notions yet don't have a clue that rational thinking and science are responsible for computer technology.

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