Wow. I guess the MAGA Hats can shut up about Walz now. BUT THEY WON'T!
By Ponderer
August 13, 2024 7:40 am
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Minnesota National Guard officials weigh in on Walz service
It’s unlikely that Gov. Tim Walz, the Democratic nominee to the vice presidency, knew that his unit would receive mobilization orders not long after he retired in 2005, sources with the Minnesota National Guard told the Boston Herald.
Since the announcement he would join Vice President Kamala Harris atop the party ticket, Walz has come under sustained fire over his decision to retire following 24 years of service in various Guard units while his battalion was allegedly under orders to deploy or set to soon receive orders, and over his use of the Command Sergeant Major rank in campaign messaging.
However, according to information shared by multiple official sources within the MNG, Walz earned that rank and would need either the gift of prophecy or a time machine to use the deployment as an excuse to leave the service, as his May 2005 retirement date came months before the 1-125th Battalion of the 1st Brigade Combat Team learned they would mobilize and most of a year before the unit was actually deployed to Iraq for what would become a historically long, 22-month tour.
According to Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, the MNG’s State Public Affairs Officer, Walz “served from April 8, 1981, to May 16, 2005″ during which time he “held multiple positions within field artillery such as firing battery chief, operations sergeant, first sergeant, and culminated his career serving as the command sergeant major for the battalion.”
“Governor Walz served in the Minnesota National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery after transferring from the Nebraska National Guard in 1996. While serving in Minnesota, his military occupational specialties were 13B – a cannon crewmember who operates and maintains cannons and 13Z – field artillery senior sergeant. In Nebraska, he served as a 11Z – infantry senior sergeant, and a 71L – administrative specialist,” Augé said.
Walz’s official May retirement date came almost two full months before the 1-125 Field Artillery found out they would likely mobilize. An official order was not issued until a month after that, about 90 days after Walz left the service, according to information provided by Lt. Col. Ryan Rossman, the MNG’s Director of Operations.
“Minnesota National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery received an alert order for mobilization to Iraq on July 14, 2005. The official Department of the Army mobilization order was received on August 14, 2005,” Rossman said.
The unit mobilized on October 12 — nearly five months after Walz left the service — and deployed in late March of the 2006 after training in Camp Shelby, Mississippi, according to Rossman. That’s a full 10 months after Walz reentered civilian life.
Any assertions that Walz’s unit was warned of a possible deployment ahead of the July 14 mobilization order is questionable, according to DoD officials, as they amount to little more than repeated and misplaced barracks rumors.
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by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 7:43 am
And it's okay. They have to keep going after him. The Trump Party has such precious little to use against this ticket. I suppose it's okay for our resident MAGA Hats to have this bone to gnaw on until election day. They aren't hurting anything after all.
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 8:02 am
That strikes me as bull$#!t. The men in his unit tell a different story.
And, what about his lie that he carried his weapon in war?
Bottom line, po. He's tainted. Kammy's team is still on defense over Tampon Tim. And, that ain't going away.
My sense is that Kammy should either replace him, with as little drama as possible, before the Convention... or, just take the loss on the military service thing.
But, I'm guessing. Their own polling suggests that, among moderate and independent common sense voters, this really matters, baha.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 8:49 am
Ah yes... And the actual officials in the Minnesota National Guard who have all the documents and whatever they say can be fact checked are the ones who are lying.
What a gullible schlub you are, Bill.
"And, what about his lie that he carried his weapon in war?" -Hate
That has already been addressed by the campaign that he misspoke about that. People make mistakes, Bill.
I mean, my gosh. It's not like he keeps lying over and over and over and over again that he was in a helicopter crash landing with Willy Brown that never happened or something.
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 9:02 am
"he misspoke..."
Uh, he EFFINlied! Bahahahahahahahahahaha haha heeheeheeheeheeheehee hoohoo hahaha ha, heehee ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!
That's not going to fly with the moderate and independent common sense voters crowd.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 9:18 am
"Uh, he EFFINlied! Bahahahahahahahahahaha haha heeheeheeheeheeheehee hoohoo hahaha ha, heehee ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!
That's not going to fly with the moderate and independent common sense voters crowd." -Hate
A candidate who "lied" about one specific instance isn't going to fly with the "moderate and independent common sense voters crowd"...?
Wow. Do you really think so, Bill...?
Gee. I sure hope that such a sentiment is cumulative...
Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency
Donald Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements during his four years as president of the United States, analysis suggests.
The astounding figure, which roughly equates to 21 false statements per day (or 20.94 to be precise) of his tenure at the White House, comes after a tumultuous post election period in which he spent weeks falsely alleging that the 2020 election was “stolen”, in remarks that spurred on his supporters to storm the US Capitol on 6 January.
According to analysis by the Washington Post, Mr Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims between his first day in office, on 20 January 2017, and his final day on Wednesday, when Joe Biden was sworn in as the country’s next president.
Among the Republican’s most repeated untruths was that his administration “built the greatest economy in the history of the world”. That phrase, according to the Posts’s analysis, was used at least 493 times.
Another favourite – and his second most repeated falsehood – was the former president’s claim that tax cuts introduced by his administration were the biggest on record.
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by oldedude on August 13, 2024 9:29 am My question to you is; Why did he CLAIM then, that he was IN A WAR ZONE to the public? And in his election for Governor? He said it hisownself. Not anyone else's issue. He claimed it.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 10:09 am
olde dude, I find it absolutely impossible for you to have never misremembered something about your past. Especially since you are already so delusional about provable reality.
I have no idea what the context was behind his saying that or exactly what he was thinking when he said it. It's really not that big of a deal to me or tens of millions of other voting Americans in the context of all the other issues and elements surrounding this monumentally historic election and its players.
But as I have said several times already, you and Hate can just go to town on this bone.
You aren't hurting anything.
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 10:14 am
"olde dude, I find it absolutely impossible for you to have never misremembered something about your past."
Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh, po. This is exactly the kind of thinking that allowed a whole nation to stand by and watch the Holocaust happen. You have poop for brains.
by Indy! on August 13, 2024 10:24 am
Nobody cares about Walz's Guard time.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 10:28 am
Bill, your flailing fits of apoplexy when you haven't got a damned thing to argue with never fail to amuse.
by Donna on August 13, 2024 10:38 am
Some MAGAs attacked Pete Buttigieg's military record too, but it didn't get much publicity, likely because he isn't running for president.
Attacking the military record of a Democrat who's running for president started with the Swiftboat Veteran's politically motivated attack on John Jerry in 2004, and I suspect that that kind of thing will continue as long as there are veterans willing to take cheap shots at their fellow veterans for political purposes.
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 10:59 am
No one's attacking TT's military RECORD. What's at issue is his lies.
Tell us. Be honest, Donna. If this stuff came out about JD? Rachel and Joy, Morning Joe... and EFFINpo... would be all over it like flies on poop.
Right?
by Indy! on August 13, 2024 11:22 am
The term "swiftboating" started with Kerry (because he was assigned to a swift boat crew). But attacking politicians because of their military record probably goes back to George Washington imho. We definitely can point to Clinton and his ROTC gig that got him out of Vietnam and then he dropped out instead of continuing on to the big boy military.
by Donna on August 13, 2024 11:31 am
My oldest brother jouned the Army ROTC in college, which helped him with college expenses, but part of that deal was committing to five years in the Army after graduation, whuch led to him being an Army Ranger. He went through some pretty intense training.
by Indy! on August 13, 2024 11:54 am
Clinton did the same thing, but somehow used his college plans to get out of the MIC commitment. Don't remember the full story, but the whineR s tried to make a big deal out of it.
by oldedude on August 13, 2024 12:18 pmMarch 20, 2005 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
On Thursday, March 17 the National Guard Public Affairs Office announced a possible partial mobilization of roughly 2,000 troops from the Minnesota National Guard. First District congressional candidate Tim Walz currently holds the rank of Command Sergeant Major in the 1-125th Battalion, which is based in New Ulm and largely composed of men and women from southern Minnesota. The announcement from the National Guard PAO specified that all or a portion of Walz's battalion could be mobilized to serve in Iraq within the next two years.
Walz, who teaches Global Geography at Mankato West High School, has been an active member of the National Guard since 1981. He has been previously deployed during his 23 years in the National Guard, including an eight-month deployment during Operation Enduring Freedom.
When asked about his possible deployment to Iraq Walz said, "I do not yet know if my artillery unit will be part of this mobilization and I am unable to comment further on specifics of the deployment."
Although his tour of duty in Iraq might coincide with his campaign for Minnesota's 1st Congressional seat, Walz is determined to stay in the race. "As Command Sergeant Major I have a responsibility not only to ready my battalion for Iraq, but also to serve if called on. I am dedicated to serving my country to the best of my ability, whether that is in Washington DC or in Iraq." .
So he DID know beforehand!🤔 Considering this came from his campaign office. timwalz.org
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 12:43 pm
"On Thursday, March 17 the National Guard Public Affairs Office announced a possible partial mobilization of roughly 2,000 troops from the Minnesota National Guard. -from olde dude's link
od, I know how much of a problem you have with the English language in general. But are you at least familiar with the meaning of the words possible and partial ...?
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 1:03 pm
Just to make the key point here:
Kammy's crowd is still trying to cover TT's butt on this military brouhaha.
When something like this goes on and on, it usually means that internal polls say the this is a huuuuuuuuuge problem for the campaign.
It's moderate and independent common sense voters who will settle this election. (And, I know po thinks that po is a down the middle mainstream political thinker. But, po ain't.)
This is the sort of thing that seeps into the consciousness of Donna's "low information voters."
Bad news for Kammy. Bad, bad news.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 1:51 pm
Yeah this is gonna kill the whole Harris/Walz campaign I tell ya what!
You stay on this, Bill. Don't you dare let it die down. You've got absolute gold here with this. Run run run and keep running with it! I'm rooting for ya, Bill!
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 2:03 pm
po,
YOU launched this thread. Hmmmm?
I'll repeat, though. These days it's Kammy's campaign... and you lot... who keep bringing this up. I'm not a part of the moderate and independent common sense voter crowd but I can easily understand that this story would seep into their consciousness, and, that it will matter to many of them over the age of 30.
by oldedude on August 13, 2024 2:13 pmod, I know how much of a problem you have with the English language in general. But are you at least familiar with the meaning of the words possible and partial...?
The point is that you have been saying "he didn't know he was going to be deployed. He put it in writing from his campaign. In this case, when a politician says It's "possible" he will be deployed, they have knowledge they can't give out. And he talked about what would happen to the campaign, etc. He's thought about this because he and his family are figuring out the nuts and bolts. He is the Top Ranking NCO in the Battalion. If they are sending that sized unit, HE WILL BE GOING. And he stated so. And he stated that is his duty to go (which I agree with). And I talked about this before, the difference between an E2-E3, and a COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR is alot. Just the knowledge of what's happening on the federal level, and how that affects your unit is vastly different. Not going to beat that horse again.
by meagain on August 13, 2024 2:53 pm It is almost funny but more sad to see the trying to make a mountain out of this molehill. What does it matter if he said "in a war zone." That was a very simple and meaningless slip.
He was talking about weapons of war that he had carried and he could have been sent to a war zone at any time in his 24 years. Or to places that were not war zones but where the US had forces for purposes that exposed them to terrorist or uprisings.
It is nothing but a pitiful attempt to detract from both his campaign status and his gun control advocacy.
Will the day ever come when American Republicans pay some attention to policies for the betterment of the country instead of personal enrichment and public disempowerment?
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 3:03 pm
meagain,
He lied. And, my sense is that people who served take this very seriously... and lots of those very patriotic people vote.
by Ponderer on August 13, 2024 3:59 pm
meagain, you nailed it onceagain!
But Hate is sure that he has the fatal blow to the Harris/Walz ticket in his canine, MAGA Hat maw and he ain't gonna release it.
He and olde dude should just be left to play with this nonsense, and themselves, in the corner. They aren't actually hurting anyone. Especially Harris or Walz. And it seems to mean so much to them. Let 'em have their fun.
by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 4:48 pm
po,
Why does TT continue to bring it up? See video.
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by oldedude on August 13, 2024 9:30 pmThe Misleading Nature Of Tim Walz’s Military Record Reveals Something Deeper About Democrats
As someone who once believed in the Democratic Party, I know firsthand how far they’ve strayed from the truth. I served in the U.S. Army, deploying overseas in support of Operation Iraqi and Enduring Freedom to defend the principles of honor and integrity. These are values Tim Walz seems to have forgotten, and it’s time we hold him accountable.
Walz claims the rank of Command Sergeant Major, a title reserved for those who have truly earned it through years of sacrifice and leadership. But his former commander, John Kolb, set the record straight: “I can sit in the cockpit of an airplane; it does not make me a pilot.” Walz never completed the necessary coursework to achieve that higher rank, making his claim a blatant misrepresentation. This isn’t just a minor mistake; it’s a willful deception that should concern every American.
For years, Walz has misled the people of Minnesota about his record, spinning tales at congressional committees and while campaigning for office. It’s a flat out lie that he was the “highest-ranking enlisted soldier to ever serve in Congress,” as his congressional bio once stated. He didn’t even complete the Sergeant Major Academy. If we can’t trust Walz or Kamala Harris to be honest about their backgrounds, how can we trust them to lead this country?
The deception doesn’t stop with his rank. During the Minneapolis riots, Walz further revealed his disdain for those in uniform by dismissing National Guard troops as “19-year-old cooks” as he prolonged deploying them to restore order. This wasn’t just a poor choice of words; it was a window into his lack of respect for the military and his misunderstanding of their critical role in protecting our communities. In contrast, leaders like J.D. Vance, who served on the front lines as a Marine, demonstrate what true public service looks like. Vance didn’t shy away from his duty; he embraced it with the courage and commitment we should expect from our leaders.
Walz’s actions speak louder than his carefully crafted public image. He not only misrepresented his rank but also betrayed his unit and fellow battle buddies by not serving with them when it mattered most. Walz was supposed to be a leader, someone his soldiers could look up to, but he left them high and dry when the call came for him to serve. Instead of answering that call, he was more focused on the title rather than the duty of serving his nation and community. While Walz was busy climbing the political ladder, those “19-year-old cooks” were on the front lines, defending the very freedoms he now takes for granted. msn.com
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