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The World Knows the Truth: Tony Blair condemns ‘tragic, dangerous’ US withdrawal from Afghanistan
By HatetheSwamp
August 22, 2021 12:40 pm
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Tony Blair has warned that the return of the Taliban will see “every jihadist group round the world cheering”, as he said that there was now a moral obligation for Western troops to stay until all those eligible are evacuated from Afghanistan.

Preach it, Tony!

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on August 22, 2021 1:16 pm
    Tony Blair is short-sighted. Of course the jihadists are gloating: we lost! We've already evacuated thousands per day. When I heard that we were obligated to help translators and other people who helped us in Afghanistan I imagine that we were talking about perhaps hundreds of people including their families.

    However not to worry. I'm sure you'll be happy to relocate these refugees from Afghanistan inside your county in Pennsylvania.

  2. by Donna on August 22, 2021 1:57 pm
    That process should have started right after February 29, 2020 when the agreement between Trump and the Taliban was made. In accordance with the agreement, Trump drastically cut US forces to the point that when he left office, the US was down to 2,500 troops.

    But what about the interpreters, the non-military government personnel? Did Trump try to get them out? Did he offer but they refused? I don't know. But it seems to me that an evacuation of that order would need to be carried out while our military was there in full force.

    Probably the only way Biden could have produced a better outcome for the people who opposed the Taliban and who now want to get the hell out of there is if he broke the Trump/Taliban deal and significantly increased the US military presence, not only to facilitate a safer and more thorough evacuation, but also to retrieve our tanks, artillery, etc.

    Of course if Biden had done that, the Republican/Alt-right media would be slamming him for breaking Trump's deal with the Taliban. You know they would have. And if it had escalated into war, they would have been ecstatic.

    I don't know what I would have done if I were in Biden's shoes. The Biden people are saying that the speed of the Taliban's recapture of Afghanistan took them by surprise. Hmm. So they were either really naive, or they made the decision not to escalate militarily, knowing that that could jeopardize the evacuation.

    So many questions. I doubt if we're getting the entire story.



  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 22, 2021 2:31 pm

    Thing is, Curt, the day after the House of Commons exploded in angry criticism of Joe, and this has to be one of them there pants on fire things, Joe assured all Americans that we received no criticism from our allies.

    I think Tony's only clarifying.

  4. by Donna on August 22, 2021 2:57 pm
    Yeah, that was bad.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-president-bidens-claims-current-afghanistan-crisis/story?id=79565706

  5. by Donna on August 22, 2021 2:58 pm
    Still getting used to the new setup here for links.
    abcnews.go.com

  6. by Curt_Anderson on August 22, 2021 3:53 pm
    Donna,
    I read that ABC fact-checking page. The first one in particular struck me as if the fact-checkers were addressing a different statement.

    "Credibility from allies" means that we can be believed and trusted in international relationships. They cited the comments of a former British prime minister and a German candidate for Chancellor among those who are critical of how America withdrew from Afghanistan. Does anybody seriously think thar Germany or Great Britain, etc. would be an iota more hesitant or skeptical in dealing with us?

    It's possible for foreign politicians to be critical of how the withdrawal went but not to have lost trust in America.

    'I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world.' [Biden said]

    An easily disputable statement from Biden came in response to a question that asked for his response to American partners who have criticized the conduct of the U.S. withdrawal and questioned America's credibility on the world stage. [ABC fact checkers' response]

  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 23, 2021 2:50 am

    We will see about how our future with our European allies as time progresses. They're pi$$ed now and with great justification.

    But, the immediate issue for the moment is that, on Friday, Joe made the bold faced claim that, not only are we receiving no criticism from our allies, but that our allies are thankful for what we're doing.

    Now, you're acknowledging by your response, that you know that Joe didn't tell the truth. So, what is it? Did he tell an obvious lie? Or, is his brain so cooked that he's out of touch with reality and stated the only truth his addled brain can accept.

    With my dad, it would have been the later.

  8. by Donna on August 23, 2021 8:01 am
    Zeke Miller: (10:59)
    Thank you, Mr. President. [inaudible 00:11:03] usher in an era where the world can count on America to live up to its promises. You promised to leave Afghanistan, but you also promised not to help to bring out those who helped America in its war effort. We’ve seen these heart-wrenching images at the Kabul Airport of people trying to get there. Say nothing of the people who can’t get to that airport. You made the commitment to get American troops out, to get American citizens out. Will you make the same commitment to those who assisted in the American war effort over the last 20 years? Number one, and then a number two, what is your message to America’s partners around the world who have criticized not the withdrawal, but the conduct of that withdrawal and made them question America’s credibility on the world stage?

    President Biden: (11:43)
    I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world. I’ve spoken with our NATO allies. We’ve spoken with NATO allies, the secretary of state. Our national security advisor has been in contact with his counterparts throughout the world and our allies as has the general… Or, excuse me, I keep calling him a general, but my secretary of defense. The fact of the matter is I have not seen that. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite I’ve gotten. The exact opposite thing is we’re acting with dispatch. We’re committing to what we said we would do.

    ***

    Actually, US allies have criticized "the conduct of that withdrawal".
    rev.com

  9. by Ponderer on August 23, 2021 11:08 am
    Isn't it interesting how pb couldn't give a flying rat's fuck about what other countries and their leaders thought of the sociopathic, psychotic shit Trump was constantly pulling throughout his entire administration? Not a word about them. They doidn't matter a damn to him. But NOW they do. What a fucking shameless hypocrite pb is.

  10. by Donna on August 23, 2021 12:20 pm
    Yeah, I don't recall even one instance where pb or OD condemned a specific lie by Trump, and there was literally thousands to choose from. All we've ever gotten from pb and his buddy hts is the general criticism that Trump is "dispicable", which he's repeated ad infinitum.

    That's why it's hard for me to stomach hts's complaints about us. I've already shined a light on Biden's untruths more than those guys did combined over the four years of Trump's presidency, and now he has the audacity to complain about me. He can go fuck himself.

  11. by Donna on August 23, 2021 12:36 pm
    I've also noticed that pb/hts only shows empathy when he can use it as a political weapon. I don't recall any outpouring of empathy for the Kurds when the guy he voted for left them at the mercy of ISIS, or for migrants when the guy he voted for deliberately separated children from their parents as a deterrant to others fleeing their country and coming to border to seek asylum. Btw, despite efforts by the Biden Administration, several hundred of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents.

    These are the reasons why we don't buy hts's supposed concern for migrants or Afghans. They're very obviously only useful to hts as a political weapon.

  12. by Ponderer on August 23, 2021 1:11 pm
    Oh my, and how pb shed GALLONS of tears when Trump was fucking over the hurricane survivors in Puerto Rico!

  13. by Donna on August 23, 2021 2:42 pm
    Curt: Maybe you missed this thread. A few posts up, I posted the transcript of the reporter's question about criticisms by world leaders regarding Biden's handling of the evacuation. Biden restricted his response to the reporter's question about the US's perceived credibility. He didn't address the part of the reporter's question that pertained their criticisms about how the evacuation was carried out.

    I agree with you that Biden didn't deny, as hts and some media outlets claim, that some of our allies criticized the way the evacuation was handled. Actually Biden dodged that part of the reporter's question altogether.

  14. by Curt_Anderson on August 23, 2021 3:07 pm
    Donna,
    I quoting verbatim from the ABC News fact checking article you cited:

    'I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world.'

    An easily disputable statement from Biden came in response to a question that asked for his response to American partners who have criticized the conduct of the U.S. withdrawal and questioned America's credibility on the world stage.

    The reporter's question that Biden addressed was "Number two, what is your message to America’s partners around the world who have criticized not the withdrawal, but the conduct of that withdrawal and made them [u]question America’s credibility[/u] on the world stage?"

    The "fact checkers" you and HtS cited are showing foreign politicians criticizing the execution of the withdrawal, not questioning America's credibility. I saw a clear distinction. Evidently you don't.

  15. by Donna on August 23, 2021 3:37 pm
    I'm not using fact checkers. I went back to the transcript and performed my own analysis. And contrary to what you just said, I went to great lengths clarifying the difference between criticizing the conduct of the withdrawal and questioning the Biden administration's credibility.

    I think you need to go back and re-read what I said.

  16. by Curt_Anderson on August 23, 2021 4:20 pm
    Donna,
    I read what said. Here are the parts you bolded because you think they are the relevant passages.

    Zeke Miller: (10:59)
    Number one, and then a number two, what is your message to America’s partners around the world who have criticized not the withdrawal, but the conduct of that withdrawal and made them question America’s credibility on the world stage?

    President Biden: (11:43)
    I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world.
    The fact of the matter is I have not seen that. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite I’ve gotten.

    Somewhere you said something about Biden not addressing the issue of criticisms. Maybe so. That's not a falsehood. Avoidance, but not a lie.

    Biden addressed the reporter's question about credibility. The fact checkers who claim America's credibility is being questioned, thus refuting Biden's claim, need to show an example of that.




  17. by Ponderer on August 23, 2021 5:49 pm
    The way the reporter phrased the question, "... what is your message to America’s partners around the world who have criticized not the withdrawal, but the conduct of that withdrawal and made them question America’s credibility on the world stage?", he decided that the conduct of the withdrawal made those world leaders question America's credibility on the world stage. So he linked the two.

    Perhaps the conduct of the withdrawal did make them question America's credibility, but it's presumptive to lump all those leaders together and decide that they were also linking the two.

    "I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world. I’ve spoken with our NATO allies. We’ve spoken with NATO allies, the secretary of state. Our national security advisor has been in contact with his counterparts throughout the world and our allies as has the general… Or, excuse me, I keep calling him a general, but my secretary of defense. The fact of the matter is I have not seen that. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite I’ve gotten. The exact opposite thing is we’re acting with dispatch. We’re committing to what we said we would do." - President Biden

    "I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world. I’ve spoken with our NATO allies. We’ve spoken with NATO allies, the secretary of state. Our national security advisor has been in contact with his counterparts throughout the world and our allies as has the general… Or, excuse me, I keep calling him a general, but my secretary of defense. The fact of the matter is I have not seen that"

    is a denial that those leaders are questioning America's credibility. That's very straightforward.

    Then Biden says "As a matter of fact, the exact opposite I’ve gotten."

    I assume he means that those world leaders not only aren't questioning America's credibility but are confident in America's credibility.

    But next Biden says "The exact opposite thing is we’re acting with dispatch".

    So now it appears that Biden's referring to something else. Apparently he's objecting to the charge that he acted too slowly, IOW to a criticism about the conduct of the withdrawal. He seems to be affirming, not denying, that some world leaders have criticized the conduct of the withdrawal.

    Then he ends with "We’re committing to what we said we would do". IOW he's affirming that America is credible.

    He could have been clearer, no?

  18. by Ponderer on August 23, 2021 5:50 pm
    Btw that previous response was by me - Donna.

  19. by oldedude on August 23, 2021 11:04 pm
    The issue with using biden quotes, is they are either filled with lies and deceit, or he's the stupidest person that could remember to breathe.
    I do agree with using Trump's doctrine on this. The idea from Trumps point of view is to evac/ extract persons as we shrunk the forces (meaning coalition forces, meaning not forgetting the Japanese, Brits, Ozies, Canuks, Germans, etc.) This issue is more about not listening to the Intel community and military. His DNI is a complete moron, and didn't listen to 22 Intel Officers that put their jobs on the line to tell him this was a complete goat fuck. I'm not even read in on (most) of what goes on in that part of the world, and myself and thousands of other troops knew what was going to happen.
    And yes, British Parliament is really pissed. I can't blame them. we absolutely left British citizens, their terps, and their military without any support whatsoever.
    In reference to Curt's statement that in the case of political and/or military cooperation. ROK has asked us to leave the peninsula at a faster rate because they feel that it's easier to trust Kim than biden. Japan is also giving us the cold shoulder regarding annual joint military exercises.
    These animals have been going house to house looking for excuses to torture and murder people. Those we "promised" to get out of there are now on their own.
    But the chickens are coming home to roost. We've already caught numerous individuals with terrorist ties trying to get in to the US. They'll draw on the chaos from BLM and antifada to watch how police react (or don't) and plan. Of course Americans have the focus of a gnat, so while we all forget about what we did, they'll start attacking just like they've always done.

  20. by Donna on August 24, 2021 8:34 am
    Still stuck on BLM and antifa, neither of which DHS considers a threat, while not even giving mention to groups the DHS considers our biggest terrorist threat: White nationalists.

    I have to ask, OD - is that because you're a White nationalist?

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