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I wish we could go back to the old days of presidential nominating conventions with the smoke-filled rooms.
By Curt_Anderson
January 26, 2024 7:15 pm
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During the 19th century and for most of the 20th century Republicans and Democrats held presidential nominating conventions. These were dramatic affairs in which it was not a forgone conclusion as to who would be the eventual nominee. Every state sent a contingency of local politicians and party bosses to cast votes for the various candidates.

For example, in 1860 the Republicans had seven potential nominees to choose from. William H. Seward was generally regarded as the front-runner. On the third ballot Abraham Lincoln became the nominee. Multiple ballots (an election to find a consensus candidate) were common in the old party conventions. It took 103 ballots and two weeks for Democrats to select their nominee in 1924, John W. Davis.

In the early 20th century, progressives began to wrest control from the party bosses and held the first presidential primaries. Today average voters in their party's primaries decide the two major parties' nominees. Political conventions are now coronations, not elections.

While the primary system seems more democratic than the old nominating convention with their proverbial smoke-filled rooms, I wish we could go back to old way of selecting the nominees.

One problem with the primary system is that the first states have an outsized influence on who becomes the nominee. When a party doesn't have an incumbent vying for a second term, parties usually have ten or so presidential candidates to start with. After a second or third state the field of candidates usually winnows down to one or two. After the first few states, the other primaries are done deals: the nominee has already been decided.

In the old convention days, every state had some say in who would be the nominee.

The voting participants in the primaries in the early states represent only about 15% of their state's registered voters of each party. They tend to be the most extreme members of the parties; often single-issue voters. In this primary season, Donald Trump won about 230,000 votes in not-so demographically diverse Iowa and New Hampshire which according to the RNC makes him the presumptive nominee. That's like a small city deciding who will be a party's nominee in an election which will see about 150 million votes cast in the general election.

In the old convention days, the conventioneers looked for candidates who broad appeal. The candidates in those days tended to be more moderate, especially the candidates who became president.

Another bug of the current primary system is that it extends the time candidates spend campaigning. That means a candidate has to spend more on the extended campaign and months of advertising.

In the old convention days, candidates didn't announce their intentions until shortly before the convention, if they announced at all. A few times the nominee was a dark horse candidate who was barely mentioned before the convention. Other than the cost of placards, banners and buttons there wasn't much money spent on advertising.


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  1. by oldedude on January 26, 2024 9:13 pm
    In the "old days" it was the swamp that told the electorate what/ who they must vote for. And because people would vote straight ballot, they wouldn't veer from their party's "stance." In essence, the "party" loved the mindless sheep. those that were told to procreate more of their party and never, ever, deviate from the party's stance. This is when there was no questioning of a party's platform. It wasn't until JFK when this started to change. JFK was a "catholic"😱 and therefore couldn't be considered for "President" especially by the dims at the time. "Catholics" just weren't "proper Christians" was the response to this (by especially the southern dims).

    This was the time where even county Sheriffs' had to have a pedigree to run for office from the "party." The more you were more of "the party," the higher you could get. This is how the Grand Wizards of the Klan were the "judges" and "sheriffs'" of a county.

    We still have parts of the "old days" with us today. The state and federal party organizers choose our leadership. Usually this is for people that have paid their "homage" to the party and will vote for the party regardless. And now, the "good old days" are less so. This is why Kennedy is not the powerful name it once was. The homage is still there. pedojoe is here in full force. He's paid his dues many times over. On the flip side in trumpster, who hates the old way of doing things. Under the old system, he'd never be on a ballot with the party's approval. They would have someone that has paid their dues. A graying white male that has paid his homage like a made "man." Showing his loyalty for decades.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2024 9:46 pm
    "Under the old system, [Trump]'d never be on a ballot with the party's approval." ---OD

    Correct! Yet another example of why I wish we could go back to the old days of presidential nominating conventions with the smoke-filled rooms.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2024 10:00 pm
    "This [the old days] is when there was no questioning of a party's platform." --OD

    The Republicans made sure there wouldn't be much questioning of their 2020 party platform.

    GOP announces no new 2020 platform, party to 'enthusiastically support' Trump agenda
    "The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement," the resolution says.
    foxnews.com


  4. by oldedude on January 27, 2024 3:51 am
    Yeah, just think about it. You don't have to think anymore. That's the perfect world for you!

    I find it amazing that in this day and age, that people are so mindless and stupid about their lives they trust rich insiders to tell them how to live.

    *Soylent Green is made out of people.* They're making our food out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle for food. ...


  5. by HatetheSwamp on January 27, 2024 3:52 am

    In 016, when the Dem incumbent could not be reelected, ONLY ONE DEM RAN FOR THE effinNOMINATION. Tell me that the Dems' nominating process ain't, as po'd say, blatantly, as po'd say, EFFINcorrupt.

    There ain't a stitch of "democracy" among Dems. And, Curt defends Hillary's to this day!

    The smoke in the room that rigs Dem Primaries ain't cigar smoke these days, but their nominations are fixed.



  6. by oldedude on January 27, 2024 6:30 am
    And this year, they moved things around so the only one truly on the ballot is pedojoe.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on January 27, 2024 6:52 am

    Right, OD...

    ...AND, they've declared to two states that the way they exercise democracy in participating in the selection of the Dem nominee is so thoroughly rejected that the delegates they select... according to their own state's law... that their delegates will not be seated at the convention.

    I, personally, am increasingly disgruntled with the GOPs. But, seeing the increasing evil in what Dems do, I'm beginning to think that GOPs have to be propped up to save the Republic.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on January 27, 2024 8:05 am
    ”In 016, when the Dem incumbent could not be reelected, ONLY ONE DEM RAN FOR THE effinNOMINATION. Tell me that the Dems' nominating process ain't, as po'd say, blatantly, as po'd say, EFFINcorrupt.” —HtS

    HtS,
    Calm down. You were wrong about the Democratic primaries in 2016. More likely, you simply forgot. Besides Hillary Clinton, there was Bernie Sanders. He dragged out his candidacy past the point when he was mathematically eliminated. Other also-rans included Gov. Martin O’Malley, Gov. Lincoln Chafee and Sen. Jim Webb.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on January 27, 2024 8:25 am

    Baha.

    Bernie ain't a Dem and t'others were as viable as Marianne Williamson and Dean Phillips...

    ...but you are a d@ng Good German.


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