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So why doesn't Trump make this deal now, without being president? Is it because intrinsic to his negotiation is that the US military would be used to force to compliance with this "deal"? Trump's "No more" obviously means Russia would be rewarded with the Ukrainian territory they already occupy.---CA
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(USA Today)Former President Donald Trump is defending a controversial claim that he could forge a Ukraine peace within 24 hours of returning to the White House, saying he would tell Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to make a deal.

Trump, speaking on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures," said he has a good relationship with Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"I would tell Zelenskyy: 'No more. You got to make a deal.' I would tell Putin: 'If you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to (give Ukraine) more than they ever got if we have to.' I will have the deal done in one day. One day," said Trump, who has a sizable lead in early polling for the Republican presidential nomination.

Zelenskyy has dismissed Trump's assertion that the deal could be made so quickly, saying Trump probably would pressure Ukraine into ceding territory to Russia, a concession Zelenskyy has rejected.

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by Indy! on July 17, 2023 4:21 pm The one "deal" Trump made outside of the obligatory massive tax cut for the wealthy every president is required to do by law... was ending the Afghanistan war. So maybe it takes more than 24 hours - still worth a shot. I think if you really are interested in peace, Curt - your vote should go to the Donald. BTW, in case you're wondering why Trump hasn't already done this? It's probably because he's being mindful (nay - respectful)of Joe Biden's position as the current POTUS. Well that and the Logan Act which criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. Minor point - still important. by Curt_Anderson on July 17, 2023 7:24 pm Indy, So you think that it's just Trump respecting the norms and being a stickler for obeying laws like the Logan Act. 🙄 I'd like to see a peaceful end to hostilities in Ukraine, but not just any old peace. Peace comes in various forms. For example, we achieved peace with Japan by dropping a couple of A-bombs on them. I favor a fair peace, which doesn't reward the aggressor or punish the victim. Nothing short of Russia leaving Ukraine and paying war reparations is a fair peace. by oldedude on July 17, 2023 9:01 pm I favor a fair peace, which doesn't reward the aggressor or punish the victim. Nothing short of Russia leaving Ukraine and paying war reparations is a fair peace. How little you understand about human beings. Are multi-coloured unicorns in on that? Your fairies are those built by disney. Mine are Celtic fairies. Because there is absolute evil out there. Like Jack-o-lantern... taking children out to the bog as you prefer. except Jack looses his head by the fairies because he's an evil person. And he spends the rest of his existence looking for it. All the while, the fairies laugh and mock him. Welcome to actual justice for the evil side of humans. And of course the greeks had theirs... by Curt_Anderson on July 17, 2023 9:13 pm Ok, ODin, what sort of viable outcome, a negotiated peace or something else, do you recommend for the situation in Ukraine? by Indy! on July 18, 2023 12:49 am I don’t think Trump does any work he doesn’t have to do. And as I said previously, I don’t care how the war ends. The idea that anyone outside the MIC actually cares about this coke fiend and his country most Americans couldn’t find on a map is a testament to the power of propaganda. The Ukraine war is just another version of Game of Thrones - a TV show people think matters but doesn’t. Let Putin have the country as far as I’m concerned. If it comes down to us winning a war - he’ll end up with it anyway.it will just take longer and cost us far more. by oldedude on July 18, 2023 4:57 am So why doesn't Trump make this deal now, without being president? Is it because intrinsic to his negotiation is that the US military would be used to force to compliance with this "deal"? Trump's "No more" obviously means Russia would be rewarded with the Ukrainian territory they already occupy.---CA Because he can't act as the president and has no power to actually do the things he wants to do? by oldedude on July 18, 2023 5:31 am Ok, ODin, what sort of viable outcome, a negotiated peace or something else, do you recommend for the situation in Ukraine? We let them fight it out like we've been doing. You're "assuming" we're dealing with rational human beings. Not true. A "brokered" peace means russia will hold Sevastopol, the bridge from russia, and the islands around it. There is NO negotiation on this. They require this for their Black Sea Navy. Unfortunately for Ukraine, this is their major shipping lane. If pedojoe was any kind of leader, he'd kick up our manufacturing of the goods for Ukraine. Giving them older ordnance, and replacing our stockpiles with new. Sht, that may even bring jobs back to the US and help him politically. Keeping this going also enhances the possibility of internal revolution in russia. That political instability would be frowned on by china. The chinese already feel like russians are sub-human (they're not chinese, therefore...). The short answer to your question. NOTHING can actually broker a peace without using force. That escalates the possibility of china being involved, and the use of CBRN (Chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear) war. Your choice. They die from one or the other. AND (the upside for russia) they get to try out new chemical/biological agents we haven't seen yet and have no antidote for. I've mentioned trichothecene before. It's wicked good at what it's supposed to do. If hit by the chemical, it's better to kill yourself quickly than let the chemical do it's work, which takes about 45-120 minutes. by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 6:24 am If Trump is elected in November 024, I absolutely believe that he'll have achieved at least a cease fire within 24 hours of his 025 inauguration. by Curt_Anderson on July 18, 2023 7:35 am HtS, Did you also believe that Trump would build a 2000 mile long border wall in at Mexico would pay for it? I agree with most of what olde dude says. That means I disagree with Donald Trump, Cornel West and anybody else who who believes in the fantasy that this can be ended peacefully with both sides sitting down at a table. Russia’s economy is crumbling. See link for four major areas that demonstrate that Russia’s economy is in real trouble. That is bad news for Putin and his grip on power. Getting rid of Putin would go along way to solving this markets.businessinsider.com by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 8:19 am In fact, I didn't believe Trump's border wall fantasy. The thing about the war is that, by the time Trump's reelected, if he is, both Russia and Ukraine will be so weak and the US so much stronger...and Trump so crazy...that they'll both be so powerless...Putin and Zelenskyy will be powerless to resist. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 9:36 am "Nothing short of Russia leaving Ukraine and paying war reparations is a fair peace." -Curt I totally agree, Curt. 100%. Absofreakinglutely. Can you imagine a cop showing up at a liquor store holdup in progress and telling the owner with a gun in his face, "Let's negotiate a peaceful settlement between you, the liquor store owner... and you, the robber. How about if the robber agrees to give back 85% of the money he just stole while smashing up the store in the process, and in return the liquor store owner, whose store has just been smashed all up by the robber, doesn't press any charges and the robber just walks away? That way, the robber gets some of the money he wanted, and the liquor store owner isn't shot in the face and also doesn't have as much of his money stolen as he thought he was going to have?". That's what a "negotiation" with Putin on Ukraine would end up sounding like. Putin simply needs to be defeated. Lock, stock, and barrel. Here's a peaceful settlement to negotiate for you: Putin is to pull all troops and military equipment out of every last square foot of Ukraine immediately and agrees to pay tens of billions in war reparations. And in return, Ukraine won't kick his troops in the ass on their way out. Putin deserves absolutely nothing. Not even Crimea or any land within the borders of Ukraine. At all. Period. Russia should completely withdraw and pay massive war reparations. And Putin should be hauled before the Hague in chains. That is the only negotiated peace that would be fair. By the way, have I ever mentioned that I am actually half Ukrainian? Both of my mother's parents were emigres from Ukraine to Alberta, Canada in the beginning of the last century. My mom and her eight siblings were brought up also speaking Ukrainian. My maternal family get togethers were rarely held in English. I don't recall exactly what my grandmother said this one time, but I distinctly recall the look of sour hatred on her face when someone brought up Russia. I remember loving her accent, even though I couldn't always understand what she was saying in English. She passed away when I was around 11. Both of my grandfathers died six months apart from each other while my mom was pregnant with me. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 9:39 am I would absolutely love seeing Putin forced to surrender. by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 9:45 am So, can you say, "Where is the bathroom?" in Ukrainian? by Indy! on July 18, 2023 9:56 am Wow. You guys are even more brainwashed that I thought (if that's even possible). by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 10:39 am "Wow. You guys are even more brainwashed that I thought (if that's even possible)." -Indy! Somehow, hearing that coming from you makes me feel even stronger in the conviction that I am right. 👍 by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 10:49 am "So, can you say, "Where is the bathroom?" in Ukrainian?" -Hate About the only Ukrainian word I recall is pronounced "YEE-sty". I remember this one uncle who, whenever we all started to sit at the table for dinner, would take his knife and fork in his fists and pound them on the table "Yeesty! YEESTY YEESTY Yeesty!!!!". It meant "eat" I was told. In a kind of let's hurry up and eat already! kind of way. And there was this totally delicious Ukrainian sausage dish pronounce "KOO-ba-sa". We had it at every meal when we had visitors or we went to a relative's place. It was a lot like polish sausage but with even more sausagey flavor. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 11:03 am HA!!! I FOUND IT! I've Google-searched my buns off for years trying to track it down. And I finally found this place that even sells it. This's gotta be it: Smoked Ukrainian (Kovbaca) This sausage is made from a 100 year old recipe that Wasyl Kramarczuk and his family used in the "old country" - for the sausage purist. Ukrainian style “Kovbasa” is traditionally placed in Ukrainian Easter baskets for blessing, but it is also delicious anytime. A coarse ground pork sausage seasoned with black pepper and fresh ground cloves of garlic then smoked with real hickory wood. INGREDIENTS: pork, water, and less than 2% of: salt, fresh garlic, sugar, spices, sodium nitrite, sodium erythorbate. Pork in a natural hog casing. I always figured there had to be a connection between this and "kielbasa". shop.kramarczuk.com by Indy! on July 18, 2023 12:00 pm At least you have some sort of valid reason (using the term lightly) to back the coke-addled Ukraine comic - even if you have to buy into some of the most comically fake anti-Russia propaganda since the Steele dossier. Your sausage thing sounds like a variation of Polish kielbasa. We used to have it every now and then when I was younger. It's okay - Italian sausage is much better though if you're into sausage. Curt won't like the fact you're eating meat though... one of his pet peeves apparently. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 3:52 pm Classic Indy!. by Donna on July 18, 2023 3:58 pm So Zelensky's a coke addict? Never heard that one before. I mean it's possible - IDK. What's your source on that? The meat industry is a major polluter and a huge contributor to global climate change. I think Curt's mainly a vegetarian for personal health reasons, though. That's a tough one for me, especially since last year when I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. I immediately got it under control by restructuring my diet which mostly involved cutting waaaaaaaay back on carbs. Lost 25 pounds and have kept it off. I now weigh what I did in college. And I'm no longer in the diabetic range. The problem for me with cutting out meat is that it would leave me with barely anything to eat, as meat contains very little carbs. Potatoes, rice, and even corn are high in carbs, especially the first two. Eating veggies all the time minus the high-carb veggies would be like torture. by Donna on July 18, 2023 4:02 pm Renters like myself and Sheri don't have the luxury of adding solar panels or even owning an electric car. Most apartment complexes don't have recharging stations, plus we can't afford to buy a new car right now. by Curt_Anderson on July 18, 2023 4:21 pm “So Zelensky's a coke addict? Never heard that one before. I mean it's possible - IDK. What's your source on that?”. —Donna Google Zelenskyy + cocaine. Fact checking sites debunked it. No credible sources are reporting it. Russian websites, Russian trolls and American useful idiots are promoting it. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 5:03 pm Let me guess... Snopes again (snicker). It's comical how stoned Zelensky has been right out in public - coke still under his nose like Neil Young in The Last Waltz. 😂 by Indy! on July 18, 2023 5:06 pm Renters like myself and Sheri don't have the luxury of adding solar panels or even owning an electric car. Most apartment complexes don't have recharging stations, plus we can't afford to buy a new car right now. Nobody can. Cars are off the charts ridiculous right now. I've been casually looking because sooner or later I'll have to replace my antique - $20K for cars with 80-90K miles on them. Ridiculous. I'm seriously considering going full-on uber. by oldedude on July 18, 2023 9:37 pm I find it funny that you care about foreign heads of state but you don't care about your own... by oldedude on July 18, 2023 9:42 pm Renters like myself and Sheri don't have the luxury of adding solar panels or even owning an electric car. Most apartment complexes don't have recharging stations, plus we can't afford to buy a new car right now. Donna. As he and I were talking about this, my view is that 1. not everyone can do this. (I understand you folks are renting. ZERO fault or foul. We do what we can as individuals. You've (all y'alls) been all good in my book on this forever. So not to make you feel bad in any way whatsoever. Okay? by Indy! on July 19, 2023 1:07 am Surprised you’d find anything funny, OD… considering you have no sense of humor. 🤔 by Ponderer on July 19, 2023 8:11 am Indy!, I did pretty well when I Ubered a few years back. It's kind of funny that it turned out that my very first day and my very last day Ubering were my two biggest days. $195 the first day and $185 my last day. I did a total of 303 rides over a couple two or three months, on and off. It was generally no problem for me to make at least a C-note every day I Ubered. And as I was unemployed at the time, it really helped. by Ponderer on July 19, 2023 8:23 am Thanks, olde dude. I actually have an electric bicycle that I have to keep in a storage unit a half mile away. When I want to ride it, I have to drive there to get it and ride it back to the apartment. Then I have to drop an extension cord over the balcony to the bike below to charge it if I didn't do that at the end of the last ride. It's such a hassle that I hardly have ridden it much at all since we got here. I'd love to ride the thing to get something at the hardware store or up to the taco place to get dinner. But it's just not practical. I'd love to have an electric car. In fact I have been following this company for many years, ever since they were way back in the early prototyping phase. They have a fully solar version that has a 400 mile range on a full charge. One of these puppies is on my lottery winnings list... aptera.us Go To Top

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