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Reuters: Bolsonaro's Florida stay puts ball in Biden's court after Brasilia riots
By HatetheSwamp
January 9, 2023 5:54 am
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Donna,

Reuters is only moderately progressive. It's not objective. It's objective-ish. It does lean your way, though.

And, the headline is more editorial than an accounting of fact.

Just to be clear.

After watching supporters of former U.S. leader Donald Trump invade the U.S. Capitol two years ago, Democratic President Joe Biden is now facing mounting pressure to remove Bolsonaro from his self-imposed exile in suburban Orlando.

"Bolsonaro should not be in Florida," Democratic Congressman Joaquin Castro said on CNN. "The United States should not be a refuge for this authoritarian who has inspired domestic terrorism in Brazil. He should be sent back to Brazil."

Note:

1. The swipe at Trump. Even the J6 gang of thugs were unable to suggest Trump organized the rioters who attacked the Capitol.

2. The pressure on "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" is coming from Dems. Interesting.

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Comments on "Reuters: Bolsonaro's Florida stay puts ball in Biden's court after Brasilia riots":

  1. by Donna on January 9, 2023 6:21 am

    Right, because all the conspirators took the fifth.

  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 6:29 am

    Right, because all the conspirators took the fifth.

    Donna,

    I don't believe that for a nanosecond.

    However, I do want to make the observation that here you are, again, trashing the Bill of Rights.

  3. by Donna on January 9, 2023 6:50 am

    Whatever, Hts.

  4. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 7:06 am

    Whatever, Donna?

    The Bill of Rights is a pretty hefty whatever and, as far as pb can tell, for two reasons:

    1. The Dems' and the CDC's and Dr Fauci's and that "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" strong arm approach to squelching citizens' rights during COVID awakened nascent libertarian tendencies in many millions of Americans.

    2. There was already a vibrant antiSwampism that was challenging the dysfunctional existing DC political culture.

    My guess is that much of the rest of your life, and mine, will be consumed with political arguments that, prior to 016, your side had assumed it won.

    So, yeah. Whatever!

  5. by Donna on January 9, 2023 7:21 am

    When you take your dying breath, none of that'll matter.

    Peace.



  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 7:37 am

    Until then...

  7. by islander on January 9, 2023 8:53 am

    Hate is trying to pull a fast one by suggesting that the Jan 6 committee was trying to prove that Trump organized the attack on the capital and failed to do that.

    The committee was set up to investigate the attack to see what changes we might be able to make to help prevent such a thing from happening in the future.. From that investigation we learned what factors brought the attack about and who the people were who bore the greatest responsibility in bringing it about and allowing it to happen.

  8. by Curt_Anderson on January 9, 2023 9:22 am
    HtS,
    You are not thinking about this correctly. Bolsonaro is an unwelcome foreign immigrant from Latin America in Florida. Governor Ron DeSantis should do what he’s done in the past in similar situations. He should put Bolsonaro on a plane and fly him to Martha’s Vineyard.

  9. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 9:38 am
    "Hate is trying to pull a fast one by suggesting that the Jan 6 committee was trying to prove that Trump organized the attack on the capital and failed to do that."

    "A few days after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, the US House of Representatives filed one article of impeachment against Donald Trump, "incitement of insurrection". At the Senate impeachment trial on February 13, Trump was acquitted, the required two-thirds majority not being met."

    So what they did was to file the articles of impeachment, then realized what they did and "reworded" they're "intent." In other words they had to lie to cover up what they said. It didn't work, so now they have to cover it up again. ergo, lie AGAIN to the American people for the extreme gullible to believe. And you fell for it. Hook, line, and sinker... Jussayin.
    en.wikipedia.org

  10. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 9:40 am
    One congressperson comes out. How do you think he got here? I thought you loved immigration? And that everyone that comes here should be granted status? I mean, you support child rapists, cayotes, and slave traders? so why not him? I don't get it.

  11. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 10:02 am

    Curt,

    The problem with your construction is that the illegals upgraded to Martha's Vineyard voluntarily signed off on being transported. Here's to guessing that Bolsonaro won't do the same.

  12. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 11:01 am
    And obviously, he was granted entry by our state department. ODNI had to know about this. If the president didn't know? I'd be shocked. Neither statement is accusing either of wrongdoing. He's here.

    So now we are listening to the media that booted him out. And there was a huge rally in his support. Does any of this not make sense to anyone else? I'm open to 1. he's a scumbag that paid a few thousand people to protest. 2. the present government is more corrupt than the prior government and paid the media (actually, both may be true). 3. Bolsonaro left the country because the present administration was going to murder him and his family.

  13. by islander on January 9, 2023 11:52 am

    olddude doesn't know the difference between the Jan 6 Congressional Committee hearing and an impeachment proceeding.

    Trump was impeached in the latter but the Republicans refused to find him "guilty" and Mitch McConnell explained why they did what they did.

    Listen carefully to what he says in the video od.
     View Video

  14. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 12:14 pm
    I do. Much better than you.

    What I do know about you is that you are so dug in to your dogma, that nothing else exists in your world. That's a shame. You look at your side through slits that only show you what they want you to see, then you vomit what they tell you to.

    The dimwits wanted him scourged in (what they thought) was the final attempt to "get" him. Their hatred is almost as much as yours. That was an epic fail. End of round one, off to round two. They couldn't do that, so they used another ruse of the J6 committee. You need to actually know and understand who they asked what. It was all about Trump. Nothing more. There was very, very little on keeping the district "safer" like they said was the reason. Everyone brought forth was in direct relationship to Trump. What he said, what he thought, how he acted, etc. If you're too blind to see that, I'm really sorry for you.

  15. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 12:21 pm
    And the video is another person CHA. Lead and I have explained over and over that we denounce the J6 also. You're using a political speech as "evidence." Again, the difference between fact, opinion, and fiction are a mystery to you.

  16. by islander on January 9, 2023 12:54 pm

    od ~ If you did actually watch the video you’d know what McConnell said...With regard to Jan 6 he stated unequivocally that Trump was practically and morally responsible for Jan 6 and he clearly explained why.

    You have no idea how foolish you sound when you express your anger and dismay that this is about Trump...Of course it is...And I don’t believe for one minute that you don’t know why.

  17. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 1:37 pm

    isle,

    Do you know how many times you've posted that link. I've lost count but I recall that you were doing it on the old forum.

    My sense is that Mitch overstated the connection between Trump and the riot itself. Was Trump responsible for all those thousands who attended the speech? Of course. Were the people who stood outside the Capitol in absolute horror on J6 present because Trump directed them to be there? No doubt. But, the Oath Takers and Proud Boys who attacked the Capitol have been clear to the man. They were pi$$ed because all Trump wanted to do was talk about the stolen election. He wouldn't lead action so they took acted on their own.

    As hard as they tried, the fascist political thugs on the J6 Committee couldn't connect Trump to the rioters. They ended being vexed over 187 minutes in which Trump did nuthin.

    As you know well, OD and pb despise Trump. We support other candidates for 024. We denounced the riot while it was taking place. But being people of justice, no matter what our personal opinions about Trump may be, we can't support persecution of him over the riot.

  18. by islander on January 9, 2023 4:24 pm

    Of course I remember how many times I’ve posted that link...Twice...The first time I posted it you called it political porn. But it wasn’t political porn, it was the Republican speaker of the house being perfectly honest about the Republican President’s responsibility for the attack on our nations capital...You didn’t like it.

    ”But, the Oath Takers and Proud Boys who attacked the Capitol have been clear to the man. They were pi$$ed because all Trump wanted to do was talk about the stolen election. He wouldn't lead action so they took acted on their own.” ~Hate

    The oath keepers and the proud boys were there because they believed Trump’s lies that the election was stolen and they thought they could stop the vote count and keep Trump in office which is exactly what Trump wanted and was trying to accomplish.

    North Carolina-based leader of the Proud Boys Jeremy Bertino pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy for his group’s role in Jan. 6. In plea paperwork, he admitted to preparing to use force to stop the transition of power to Biden because he believed Trump’s lies about a stolen election and said his group had hardened its posture and prepared for violence to keep Trump in office, including against police especially after Trump’s Dec. 19, 2020 call to supporters to descend on Washington for a “wild” protest against his defeat.

    Your constant whining that you "despise Trump” is pathetic. You are a Trump supporter who, while you supposedly despisd him, voted for him twice, support his agenda, and continue to denigrated his opponents of the other party...You don’t have to like a politician to support him if you think you can get something from him. In other words, whether you like him or not, you think you will somehow benefit from it if he is elected to office...

    And your excuse that you support him because his opponents are worse is disingenuous and phony. No matter how you try to disguise it... You’re a hard core Trump supporter simply because of your hatred for Democrats and liberals has blinded you to the reality of your irrational position.

  19. by HatetheSwamp on January 9, 2023 5:29 pm

    North Carolina-based leader of the Proud Boys Jeremy Bertino pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy for his group’s role in Jan. 6. In plea paperwork, he admitted to preparing to use force to stop the transition of power to Biden because he believed Trump’s lies about a stolen election and said his group had hardened its posture and prepared for violence to keep Trump in office, including against police especially after Trump’s Dec. 19, 2020 call to supporters to descend on Washington for a “wild” protest against his defeat.

    isle,

    I, essentially, agree with this. What is lacking from your account is even your own suggestion that Trump had anything at all to do with the riot.

    Trump is despicable. We both agree on that. Still, as even you, apparently, understand, he did not lead an insurrection. Your beloved J6 Committee ended its days fretting over what Trump didn't do for those 187 minutes. Even with their Stalinesque tactics, as far as connecting Trump to a supposed insurrection, there's no there there.

  20. by Curt_Anderson on January 9, 2023 5:40 pm
    On Monday, Bolsonaro's wife, Michelle Bolsonaro, said on Instagram that her husband was in a hospital under observation with abdominal pain related to a stabbing in 2018. Brazil's O Globo newspaper first reported Bolsonaro was in a hospital outside Orlando.
    npr.org

  21. by oldedude on January 9, 2023 7:17 pm
    "od ~ If you did actually watch the video you’d know what McConnell said...With regard to Jan 6 he stated unequivocally that Trump was practically and morally responsible for Jan 6 and he clearly explained why."

    I did listen to a politician give a speech. And again, if that was "evidence" why wasn't he called as a "witness?" He can say what he wants to kiss little nancy's arse, but he was never called. Do I feel the same? Again, of all the "presidents" I have loathed, they never infatuated me as much as Trump has the Blue MAGAs. By the time I die, he'll be forgotten. Just a blip on a radar screen and nothing more.

    Like Lead, I agree that J6 was stupid, and I'm embarrassed it was conservatives. But welcome to mobs. They do stupid "stuff." Do I believe it was an "insurrection?" No, the same I believe it wasn't an insurrection when libs tried to force their way into SCOTUS hearings at the capital (twice). And when Kavenaugh was put on trial for raping a woman that wasn't even at the party. I thought "don't they have anything better to spend their time on?"

    Again, Testimony (EVIDENCE) is not equal to hearsay, nor is it equal to your fantasy. Especially with politicians, they need to be under oath. Then I'll believe he believes what he is saying is true.

  22. by HatetheSwamp on January 10, 2023 6:03 am

    To be fair to Mitch, he gave this speech shortly after the J6 riot, at the very same time po was on SS declaring that Trump had been caught planning and leading an insurrection against the US government. And, po wasn't alone. When Mitch gave the speech, little was known for certain. When Mitch gave the speech, it was possible to think that there was some truth in his assertions.

    One contribution of the J6 Committee's Stalinism is that we know now that, even denying due process to witnesses and prohibiting GOP appointed House members the ability to examine those witnesses, the most that you might be able to accuse Trump of is doing nothing for 187 minutes.

    If Mitch could amend his speech, even though he's got some serious TDS, I doubt he'd be saying anything that isle would want to quote.

  23. by islander on January 10, 2023 6:07 am

    ”Trump is despicable. We both agree on that. Still, as even you, apparently, understand, he did not lead an insurrection. Your beloved J6 Committee ended its days fretting over what Trump didn't do for those 187 minutes.” ~ Hate

    Of course he didn’t lead the attack. He’s not being investigated for leading an insurrection.. What he IS under investigation for, among other things, is the crime of Inciting to Riot, Violence, or Insurrection . During the hours that the attack on our capital was taking place Trump didn’t do anything to stop it. That’s called “Dereliction of Duty”...


  24. by islander on January 10, 2023 6:12 am

    Now to respond to od’s highly intelligent and insightful post.

    od ~ One congressperson comes out; 


    He must have been in something before that, right?

    od ~ How do you think he got here?;


    Is he here? I don't know he got here, maybe he drove or took a taxi?

    od ~ I thought you loved immigration? And that everyone that comes here should be granted status?;

    You thought wrong, I love my wife and kids.

    od ~ I mean, you support child rapists, cayotes, and slave traders? so why not him? I don't get it.;

    You left out serial killers.

  25. by HatetheSwamp on January 10, 2023 6:40 am

    Apparently, you either are forgetting po's glee, among thousands of others, in Trump being busted for leading an insurrection, you're lying about it, or you're practicing radical presentism.

    Indeed, these days, Trump's not being investigated for leading an insurrection but that charge was all the rage two years ago today. These days he's being condemned for three hours of inaction.

  26. by islander on January 10, 2023 6:57 am

    b>"Indeed, these days, Trump's not being investigated for leading an insurrection" ~ Hate

    And he never was....

  27. by HatetheSwamp on January 10, 2023 7:11 am

    b>"Indeed, these days, Trump's not being investigated for leading an insurrection" ~ Hate

    And he never was....

    Okay, isle. Take a slow, deep breath...

    Now...

    Tell me that you don't remember po, here on SS, and others all over the progressive landscape, two years ago, celebrating that Trump has been busted for leading a failed insurrection.

  28. by islander on January 10, 2023 7:17 am

    Responsible for inciting an insurrection is not the same as leading an insurrection. You do know the difference don't you?

  29. by HatetheSwamp on January 10, 2023 7:38 am

    That's semantics.

    But, c'mon man. Gimme a break. Tell me that, back in the day, po and po's ilk, were making that distinction.

  30. by islander on January 10, 2023 8:07 am

    Not semantics. Two different meanings.

    Maybe you could tell me what you mean by "leading an insurrection".

    Since you keep the meaning of the words you use so every imprecise, I'm not surprised that your thought process is also imprecise.

    I don't speak for po or any of your other imaginary thousands.


  31. by HatetheSwamp on January 10, 2023 8:31 am

    I don't mean anything by "leading an insurrection."

    In context, I took po, and other TDSers, to mean that Trump recruited Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and planned for the idiots who breached the Capitol to breached the Capitol and, ultimately, reverse the election.

    You know, d@ng well, that po would join any lynch mob fixing the string up Trump or any Ultra-MAGA. That a common characteristic among TDSers.

    And, you know, on J6 and the day's that followed, many Trump haters were convinced that Trump was the evil mastermind who engineered everything.

  32. by islander on January 10, 2023 8:47 am

    I don't mean anything by "leading an insurrection." ~ Hate

    If you don’t mean anything by “leading an insurrection” then you’re just spouting meaningless nonsense when you claim that po or your imaginary thousands claimed Trump led the insurrection.

    I know the difference between leading an insurrection and bearing both practical and moral responsibility for inciting the attack on our nations capital...You don’t.

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