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July 12, 2022 7:26 am
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Don't forget to watch if possible ! 👍
Jan 6 hearing begins today at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight savings time !!

"Earlier in the week there were rumors that Sarah Matthews, a former Deputy Press Secretary in the Trump White House, ewill be testifying. If true, this could be the explosive testimony because she is in a position to talk about the links between Trump’s inner circle and the paramilitary groups.
She wrote a Twitter thread on January 6, 2020, and after Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony, she Tweeted this:

“Anyone downplaying Cassidy Hutchinson’s role or her access in the West Wing either doesn’t understand how the Trump WH worked or is attempting to discredit her because they’re scared of how damning her testimony is.”*

Teri Kanefield



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  1. by islander on July 12, 2022 7:32 am

    Here is a brief primer for today's Jan 6 hearing.

    Click on the link:
    terikanefield.substack.com


  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 8:00 am

    Anyone downplaying Cassidy Hutchinson’s role or her access in the West Wing either doesn’t understand how the Trump WH worked or is attempting to discredit her because they’re scared of how damning her testimony is.

    What's clear about Ms Hutchinson is that she could only relate second and third hand information...and rumors...and gossip. Trump said that he didn't know who she was and, based on the extremely minute interaction with Trump she testified to, he's believable.

    I hope missie Matthews can produce a smoking gun, but I suspect she was as much a peon as was Cassidy.

    Still, here's hopin.


  3. by oldedude on July 12, 2022 8:23 am
    I don't follow it. It's useless because it's much like the trial of a black man dating a white woman in 50's Alabama/ Georgia. Everyone knows the result before the arrest. Regardless of the facts, A cross will be burned and the black guy will get hung. Slowly. This is no difference.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 8:26 am

    Jason Van Tatenhove, a former spokesperson for the Oath Keepers will talk about how they have radicalized over the years. However, he has not been involved with the group since 2017.


    C'mon man, isle! Gimme me an effin break!

    Someone who can give testimony that's stale by three years!!!!!?

    If that's the best the Committee can do, can't you tell they, as po says, got nuthin!!!!!?

    Still, I hope this can seriously besmirch the Orange guy!


  5. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 8:28 am

    OD,

    I've developed a perspective that allows me be amused by this fiasco.

    Watching the TDS crowd be so earnest?...Priceless!


  6. by islander on July 12, 2022 8:51 am

    If I'd voted for Trump, I wouldn't want to watch the hearings either. That's to be expected...


  7. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 9:33 am

    And, it was painful for me at first because I'm so committed to our bipartisan Constitutional Republic.

    But then I realized that Lizzy is just living out her TDS subjectivity and that odds are about 50-1 that nuthin's coming out of this...

    ...and, of course, if sumthin does, that's all good for GOPs.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 10:17 am
    Liz Cheney: Trump is/was a 76 year old man, not an "impressionable child". Lol!


  9. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 11:12 am
    I love the part when in the Oval Office Team Crazy and Team Normal had a near violent shouting and cursing match.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 12:28 pm
    Witness Ayres who illegally entered Capitol on January Sixth belatedly realizes what HtS and others still don't: the last election was legitimate.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 12:40 pm
    Ayres says his life was ruined because he belived Trump. He advises other Trump supporters to do what he did: "take the blinders off".



  12. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 1:30 pm

    "Today’s J6 hearing is funniest yet and a colossal waste of time!" -Randy Quaid


  13. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 1:46 pm
    As I mentioned yesterday, you have penchant for nutty sources. Randy Quaid obviously has had a mental breakdown.



  14. by Ponderer on July 12, 2022 1:56 pm

    There was a lot to love in the hearing today, Curt. Weren't there?

    Trump's goose has been served up to him well done.

    Likewise has his ass.


  15. by oldedude on July 12, 2022 2:09 pm
    "Someone who can give testimony that's stale by three years!!!!!?"
    Especially in an organization like OathKeepers. It's like looking at 20 year old financial history and trying to figure out what happened after that.


  16. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 2:14 pm
    Ponderer,
    It is definitely "must see TV". I have always enjoyed courtroom dramas like "12 Angry Men", "Witness for the Prosecution" and "Perry Mason". This is better. Before these hearings began, I hoped the committee would be making a legal case and case for the court of public opinion. They are doing a good job of both.

    OD is wrong to compare this to a Jim Crow Era lynching of a black man. Then a mere accusation was enough to get an Emmitt Till strung up. With the January Sixth we all saw the crime unfolding in real-time and many of the perpetrators involved have been charged and sentenced. If there is a foregone conclusion it's because we are all witnesses.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 2:29 pm

    So, Curt. I was off getting my second booster this afternoon. Did they finally catch Trump giving marchin orders to the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers?


  18. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 2:47 pm
    HtS,
    Yes. To point that a reasonable, impartial juror would say yes, Trump induced the insurrections to come to Washington to interfere with the peaceful transition of power.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 3:12 pm

    Do I have this right? There was a witness testifying in a recording with their voice disguised?

    Now, that's life in a Constitutional Republic!!!!!

    Does anyone wonder why pb's laughing at the Committee?


  20. by HatetheSwamp on July 12, 2022 5:42 pm

    Politico:

    Viewers hoping there would be concrete evidence Trump knew of far-right groups' plans on Jan. 6 may have been disappointed by today's hearing. A “convergence” of interests isn't necessarily a conspiracy. But Trump isn't off the hook yet.


  21. by Curt_Anderson on July 12, 2022 8:56 pm
    The article which you briefly quoted, goes on to say:

    [Andrew] Weissmann noted, however, that the dubious legal underpinnings of the term “convergence” should not necessarily obviate its use as a convenient factual shorthand for the events: “The moral culpability of somebody who is aware that armed people are coming to the Capitol, does nothing to prevent it, is aware of who they’re for and who they’re against, and then when violence erupts completely condones it, you know, that has a political consequence, even if it doesn’t have, strictly speaking, a legal consequence.”

    In our full discussion, which published in POLITICO Magazine, Weissmann elaborated on what he would look for in order to ascertain whether Trump is criminally liable for conspiring with the rioters. He also discussed his frustration with the Justice Department’s probe, why he chose to speak out now and what the reaction to his Times op-ed has been from current and former Justice Department officials.


    Weissman is being too charitable to Trump. Trump is lot like an arsonist. An arsonist may not know exactly damage what his single match tossed into a pile of oily rags might eventually do, but he would have pretty good inkling that a conflagration will result. What did Trump think an angry, armed, zealous mob might do after he told them to go to the Capitol and "be strong" and save the country from the "radical left"?

    Like those unresponsive, timid cops in Uvalde, Trump may be guilty of what he DID NOT do, namely uphold his oath of office. At every turn he acted contrary to his oath of office "to preserve and protect the Constitution".
    politico.com


  22. by islander on July 13, 2022 5:11 am

    Cheney nailed it when she saidat the opening of the hearing;

    "Donald Trump doesn't get to play the unwitting dupe when it comes to his role in the run-up to and riot at the US Capitol.

    "President Trump is a 76-year-old man,".

    "He is not an impressionable child."

    "Donald Trump cannot escape responsibility by being willfully blind,"👍


  23. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 5:19 am

    isle,

    This is a real question. I only watched snippets.

    Didn't yesterday's hearing have stuff about the zeal of Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell?


  24. by islander on July 13, 2022 6:46 am

    You can watch the full hearing on YouTube and hear what Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powel actually said. Then you can be more specific in your questions.
    youtube.com


  25. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 6:54 am

    I know that I may, isle, for the moment, I cannot. Even though I'm a geezer, not all of my time is my own.

    To simply things, could you answer me? I'd appreciate it.


  26. by islander on July 13, 2022 7:20 am

    When you find the time to watch the hearing, maybe we can discuss it. Until then my time is too valuable to waste trying and discuss something with someone who hasn't seen, and wont take the time to watch the very thing he wants to discuss.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 8:27 am

    Thanks, buddy. You're a prince.


  28. by Donna on July 13, 2022 9:09 am
    I liked the part about how after all of his legal experts during the famous "unhinged meeting", including Rudy, told him that there was absolutely no evidence of widespread fraud, instead of doing the honorable thing and conceding that he lost the election and congratulating Biden, you know, like a normal person, instead he went out and lied his ass off, telling his followers at a rally that there was "overwhelming evidence" of widespread fraud and that he was the rightful winner, which of course only an idiot would believe.


  29. by Ponderer on July 13, 2022 9:22 am

    Watch, folks. This is gonna be funny. The more the hearings make it obvious that Trump orchestrated a violent overthrow attempt of our government, the less "spare" time Hate is going to have to watch any on if unfold.


  30. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 9:40 am

    Donna,

    Two thoughts.

    1. This far into the Committee and these hearings, all Lizzy and the gang have succeeded in is proving that Trump's an SOB, which the part you liked points to.

    2. Considering the conviction of Dems in Arizona and Texas for felonies due to ballot harvesting and the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s decision that those drop boxes are unconstitutional, more and more evidence proves that Trump may be the one who was correct.

    Still he's an SOB. No doubt.


  31. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 9:46 am

    po,

    If Trump is convicted of a crime connected to your assessment "that Trump orchestrated a violent overthrow attempt of our government," no one here will cheer more loudly than good ol pb.

    You do know, though, that President Clouseau's election was confirmed by Congress, according to the Electoral Count Act, on the very day it was scheduled...

    ...and, that the Doddering Old Fart was immaculated, peacefully, on the prescribed day.


  32. by Curt_Anderson on July 13, 2022 10:18 am
    HtS,
    Why aren't you watching the hearings? They are more interesting and revelatory than the Trump cult rally videos you sit through. You can speed through the recesses and other breaks in the action.



  33. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 10:27 am

    Curt,

    I have watched some of them.

    I saw only about 45 seconds of yesterday's.


  34. by Donna on July 13, 2022 10:54 am
    Yesterday's hearing went way beyond exposing Trump as an SOB. I had to work yesterday, so I watched it in its entirely late last night. It's the only hearing I've watched from beginning to end. I've only seen snippets from the previous hearings.


  35. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 11:06 am

    Donna,

    I didn't see yesterday's. What crimes does it provide evidence of.


  36. by Donna on July 13, 2022 11:48 am
    I'm not going to do your work for you. Fuck that.


  37. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 12:07 pm

    Donna,

    I'm asking for your opinion. Mine is that the best that can come out of these hearings is that Ultra-MAGAs are convinced that Trump's an SOB.

    I can't see the, uh, "testimony" so far resulting in criminal charges, let alone conviction but, if you can, I'm anxious to be convinced.


  38. by Curt_Anderson on July 13, 2022 12:14 pm
    HtS,
    I haven't watched the hearings with the attention to detail that I might have. Plus I have missed entirely Trumpworld's Jan. 6 counterprogramming (See Axios link).

    What have you read or heard that exonerates Trump from anything of which he is accused?


    axios.com


  39. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 12:32 pm

    What, in the formal sense is that of which he is accused?

    I've said, ad nauseum, that he's an SOB.


  40. by Curt_Anderson on July 13, 2022 12:49 pm
    "What, in the formal sense is that of which he is accused?" -- HtS

    Why so formal?

    You've said yourself that the committee hearings are not a courtroom trial. Trump has been accused in the Court of Public Opinion of being a threat to democracy in multiple ways. As a charter member of Team Crazy what have you got that exonerates Trump?


  41. by Donna on July 13, 2022 12:59 pm
    I'm not a legal expert. I've heard some legal experts say that Trump could be charged with sedicious conspiracy, inciting a riot and witness tampering among other charges.

    Unlike so many on this forum who watched too much Perry Mason, I'm not going to pretend that I'm a lawyer. I'm good with letting the people with law degrees sort that kind of stuff out.


  42. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2022 3:21 pm

    "Accused" only has meaning when it's translated into a charge. So, to think concretely, we have to be formal.

    My sense of all the time I've spent watching the hearings is that the testimony is almost exclusively second and third hand and based on leading questions that no prosecutor could ask in a trial.

    Also, from what I know of yesterday's testimony it was mostly about people other than Trump, and about them being doolally, not criminal.

    I know that there's more to come but I can't see any self-respecting prosecutor charging OrangeMan.


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