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If there were anything to it...why doesn’t the JDT indite Trump and prosecute him?

By islander
June 20, 2022 2:33 pm
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...Instead of wasting time and money on this silly congressional hearing? I’m sure most of us have heard that before.

Once again, Teri Kanefield (legal expert) explains in detail just what is involved and what IS actually happening. This is not what news junkies are going to hear on the entertainment news networks or the so called political pundits. For those who really want “to Know” Teri is a valuable source of information. Check out this weeks article on her site.

This is an excerpt from the article to pique your interest;



“The Godfather gave orders to commit a crime in private to his Consigliere without witnesses, who then gave orders to another person without witnesses, who gave orders to the guy who commits the crime. To pin the crime on the Don, the Consigliere would have to turn traitor.

If the Consigliere does turn traitor, the defense then goes to work trying to discredit him (which may not be hard because, c’mon, the guy is a gangster).
Because of the standard of proof — beyond a reasonable doubt—all the defense has to do is raise a doubt in the minds of the jurors.

A thing can be true and provable in court without rising to the level of “proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

This is why OJ Simpson could be acquitted in a criminal court, where the standards of proof are high, but held legally responsible for the murders in a civil court, where the standards of proof are lower.”


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Comments on "If there were anything to it...why doesn’t the JDT indite Trump and prosecute him?":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on June 20, 2022 4:06 pm

    This is what I've been saying. I think Trump's despicable but I'm sure he'll never be busted.


  2. by Donna on June 20, 2022 4:47 pm
    I'm not certain that Trump won't be busted, but I'm not at all confident that he will be.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on June 20, 2022 5:02 pm
    Twenty years after his criminal trial, 83 percent of white Americans said that they are "definitely" or "probably" sure of OJ Simpson's guilt. 57 percent of black Americans agreed.

    A poll released the past weekend had six in ten Americans opining Trump should be charged with something related to the January 6th riot.

    Even if Trump avoids trial over that, it's still a good thing that people hold such a low opinion of him. We know the Republicans' predilection for candidates who are also criminals, but still. Would the GOP nominate a guy who if 60% of Americans had their way would be carted off to prison?

    In my post before the January 6th Committee's first hearing, I hoped that they would make a legal case AND a case for the court of public opinion. They seem to be doing that.
    washingtonpost.com


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 20, 2022 5:08 pm

    How many years can you get for "something?"

    You know my opinion of the un-Americanism of the hearings but, if they derail Trump for 024, it will be a huuuuuuuuuge plus for GOP chances.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on June 20, 2022 5:33 pm
    If the hearings derail Trump for 2024, it will be a huuuuuuuuuge plus for America's chances.


  6. by oldedude on June 20, 2022 6:43 pm
    1. Unfortunately, the "hearings" (read kangaroo court) won't change anyone's mind. If they indict him for something as small as spitting on the sidewalk, his membership will swell. Dems should learn this, but they haven't and won't because they're hatred is too strong.*

    I am also not a fan. I wish the GOP could find someone else. I went to CPAC and voted for Nicki Haley in the straw poll. I think she'd be much better. But then the left will attack her for being a woman and one of those (gasp!) "Sikhs! OMFG we can't have one of "those," We have to get rid of her!"

    * I kinda pity all the hatred from the left. And they can't even see it. They can't logically disagree and talk about it. They start with (all) republicans love criminals, I wonder why that is? I was taught pretty early that hatred draws bad kharma. Ergo, you are bound to sickness, suffering, and death. The more you hate, the more of these you have in your life. I guess, "enjoy" your meaningless existence.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on June 21, 2022 3:36 am

    You went to CPAC. Cool!


  8. by islander on June 21, 2022 4:15 am

    ”If the hearings derail Trump for 2024, it will be a huuuuuuuuuge plus for America's chances.”

    It will definitely be be a good thing for America, Curt. I’m now beginning to see a change taking place among quite a few of the people I know who are were rock solid Trump supporters but are now finally admitting what Trump is, and they are acknowledging that it would be best for our country if he “disappears” from politics. I never would have thought I’d hear anything like that from them. And I definitely think these hearings are helping to effect that change.

    I’m looking forward to today’s hearing.
 👍


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 21, 2022 4:44 am

    This Dem run show trial may be the only good thing to come out of TDS. Bahahahahahahahahahaha.


  10. by Ponderer on June 21, 2022 10:03 am

    And yet, isn't it interesting that all of the witnesses and sources of evidence that the hearings have brought to light are conservative Republicans? All of the damning evidence and testimonies are coming from his closest people and advisors. Even his family.

    Yet it's the Democrats on the committee who are railroading him? All the committee did was to get all those people to speak under oath and tell the truth about what they saw and heard. The tiny handful of people closest to him who didn't want to testify under oath or pleaded the Fifth are the ones absolutely dependent on supporting Trump's Big Lie and know that telling the truth would get them thrown in jail. Probably not Trump, but them for sure.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on June 21, 2022 10:34 am

    It's interesting that they are GOPs and that's been my point to isle. Heather and he are trying to tell us that the GOP is scums. Clearly, they are patriots.

    To use the term of the day, cognitive dissonance, comes when you consider the fact that the House Dems have excluded the GOPs from appointing their own members to the Committee!

    We know that the SwampGOPs have always hated Trump.

    It takes very little imagination to understand that the SwampGOPs are playing along to attack Trump but they couldn't get away with it if GOPs who hadn't sold out were around to hold them accountable...

    ...and cross examine the witnesses.

    One thing you either can't...or won't...understand:

    Swamp is thicker than water.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on June 21, 2022 10:46 am
    Thank you, HtS for commenting on my tweaks. One of my mantras is "continuous" improvement". Another is "don't go broke doing it".


  13. by HatetheSwamp on June 21, 2022 10:53 am

    Curt,

    Words to live by.


  14. by Ponderer on June 21, 2022 11:41 am

    "It's interesting that they are GOPs and that's been my point to isle. Heather and he are trying to tell us that the GOP is scums. Clearly, they are patriots." -Hate

    It didn't really take any patriotism or being a patriot. All they did was live live up to their sworn duty to protect the Constitution and this country and/or their state from all enemies foreign and domestic. It's only the fact that there were just enough such Republicans in power, willing to defend the Constitution regardless of their support for Trump, that saved our very democracy.

    But according to you, Trump's deluded supporters, and a vast majority of the Republican party members in Congress, being a "patriot" and even a "Republican" hangs entirely on whether one is willing to either support and condone their representatives breaking the law, or wiping their asses with the Constitution themselves solely because Donald Trump wanted them to.

    You people are in absolutely no position to be lecturing anyone else on the subject of "Patriotism".


  15. by islander on June 21, 2022 1:56 pm

    As I watch these hearings I have to say that as much as I had always hoped Trump would be held accountable for his crimes, I was sadly pessimistic about it.

    However...My pessimism is nowhere near as strong as it was, and the stirrings of confidence that my hope might not be in-vain is strengthening!

    I'm feeling good this evening !! 🍻


  16. by oldedude on June 21, 2022 8:51 pm
    So isle, Did you take me for a "solid" Trump supporter? If so, you weren't reading very well.

    What criminal charges do you see coming up? AND how do they stand in federal court? Otherwise it's nothing more than some kangaroo court under the taliban because his women were "uncovered" when the talis broke in to his house.
    So he has to either throw the first stone to murder his wife, sisters, and daughters in the "football" field in the middle of Kabul, or be turned in to a bitch and have his head cut off. Slowly. and painfully.

    It sounds like you've never lived in a third world shthole. This is it. I know pondy hasn't and is so brainwashed it doesn't matter. She has no mind of her own. She is fed information, and retches it up.


  17. by Ponderer on June 21, 2022 8:58 pm

    Oh that's classic.

    He actually steals and lamely paraphrase my line and then criticizes me for not thinking for myself.

    Absolutely CLASSIC!


  18. by oldedude on June 21, 2022 9:02 pm
    You're really picking at straws here, eh?


    gitalife.


  19. by oldedude on June 21, 2022 9:08 pm
    So what did I paraphrase?

    It is this one? because I stand by it. "I know pondy hasn't and is so brainwashed it doesn't matter. She has no mind of her own. She is fed information, and retches it up."


  20. by oldedude on June 21, 2022 9:12 pm
    Isle,
    So you're saying they couldn't win in a jury trial with a real judge in charge. got it.


  21. by Ponderer on June 21, 2022 9:17 pm

    I'm sorry, od. I'd explain it to you, but it's funnier that you don't know what I was talking about.


  22. by oldedude on June 21, 2022 9:20 pm
    Again, not about you. I realize you're too narcissistic to actually be on a site with more than one other person on, and you're probably stoned, so I'll just point out that you need to keep in your own lane. There are better people to talk to that are actually worth it.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 4:01 am
    >b>
    So isle, Did you take me for a "solid" Trump supporter? If so, you weren't reading very well.

    OD,

    That's isle's TDS talking. None of these Blue MAGAs can understand being realistic about Trump. You have to have gone off the deep end.

    They need to imagine that this one-sided, canned, pre-scripted Show Trial is actually a legal proceeding in which the accused is being treated as innocent until proven guilty. Trump's a Jew. Liz Cheney is a nazi judge.

    It's completely deranged.

    But, let them live in their lala land. It's so cute.


  24. by islander on June 22, 2022 4:13 am
    ”isle,
    So you're saying they couldn't win in a jury trial with a real judge in charge. got it.”


    No. You don’t “got it”.

    I never said such a thing, nor do I believe it.

    This is not a criminal trial or criminal proceeding. This is a congressional hearing. Its purpose is “investigative”. We are seeing and hearing the evidence they have been gathering.

    If the suspect/s are indicted by the Justice Department they will become “defendants” in a criminal trial during which there will be a prosecutor, defense lawyer, and a judge and jury. It will be in this setting (a trial) that they will be given the opportunity to present evidence in their defense.

    Like a Grand Jury, these hearings are not to determine a person’s guilt or innocence.

    Thus far, the evidence, in the form of sworn testimony, video tapes and recordings is extremely powerful and is increasing my confidence that their very well might be criminal indictments forthcoming.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 4:27 am

    This is not a criminal trial or criminal proceeding. This is a congressional hearing. Its purpose is “investigative”.

    One word, isle:

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha!


  26. by islander on June 22, 2022 5:11 am

    “Federal prosecutors have better than a 95% conviction rate.
    That’s because they know how to assemble evidence that meets the requirements of admission in a criminal trial. They anticipate defenses.”

    “That’s why it is important that we separate the function of the Congressional Committee from the function of a Criminal Court.
    The goal of the J6 committee is to put the truth in front of the American people.

    The goal of a criminal trial is to see if prosecutors are able to persuade a jury that they have collected evidence to prove each element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.” *

    * Teri Kanefield


  27. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 5:19 am

    I think Kanefield is partially correct.

    Here's where reality swings against your Trump derangement:

    One reason Federal prosecutors are so successful is that they are reticent in charging. Unless evidence points to a slam dunk conviction, Federal prosecutors don't even try.

    Don't be holding your breath, there, isle.


  28. by islander on June 22, 2022 5:56 am

    Gee Hate, it “almost” sounds as if you are beginning to understand the difference between a congressional hearing and a criminal trial ! 🍻


  29. by islander on June 22, 2022 6:10 am

    "Don't be holding your breath, there, isle.",/b>

    and my advice to you is...Watch the hearings...


  30. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 6:26 am


    I'm following the hearings far more closely than the average American.

    There was some extremely powerful testimony yesterday from people from Arizona and Georgia.

    I'll tell you what I thought each time Trump was exposed for being the despicable man he is: There's lots of TDS out there. How can I trust that this is not a lie. What would a GOP House member ask, if there was balance on the Committee?


  31. by islander on June 22, 2022 6:50 am

    But, but, but, "I'm following the hearings far more closely than the average American"

    If you want to be among the well informed, don't just try to follow the hearings...you're only getting parts of it.

    Like I said;

    ...Watch the hearings...


  32. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 6:59 am

    I try, isle, but watching this exercise in fascism is hard to handle. As the Mac Davis said, "I'm doin the best that I can."

    Still, the essential facts remain.

    Joe Biden's election was confirmed on the day it was scheduled to be.

    Joe Biden was immaculated on schedule,...peacefully.

    It's hard to understand why a responsible American citizen should care very much. Few do.


  33. by islander on June 22, 2022 7:29 am

    "It's hard to understand why a responsible American citizen should care very much."

    I'm not surprised that it's hard for "YOU" to understand, but its not hard for the rest of us and the millions of other informed Americans to understand how important this is.


  34. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 7:42 am

    I don't think so, isle.

    In recent polls, when asked what voters are concerned about, it's always inflation, gas prices, crime. Nothing connected to Jan 6th ever registers.

    Why? When I say that there's nuthin new, what I mean is that everyone already knows that Trump is despicable. And, when someone goes on and on trying to convince you of what you already know for certain, in time, you just get annoyed.

    Except for the lack of integrity in the hearings themselves, I'm already on board with what the Committee has reported.

    Show me proof that Trump choreographed the riot with the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers and I'll perk up.

    Until then, same old, same old.


  35. by oldedude on June 22, 2022 7:48 am
    "“Federal prosecutors have better than a 95% conviction rate.
    That’s because they know how to assemble evidence that meets the requirements of admission in a criminal trial. They anticipate defenses.”
    I agree with that, and think that IF there is any truth to the charges, a junior AUSA should be able to put a case together based on facts.

    “That’s why it is important that we separate the function of the Congressional Committee from the function of a Criminal Court.
    The goal of the J6 committee is to put the truth in front of the American people."
    I hardly think the last three "congressional committee" trials are worthy of a Pol Pot trial.

    "The goal of a criminal trial is to see if prosecutors are able to persuade a jury that they have collected evidence to prove each element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.” *"
    Okayyyyyyyy.... So the J6 committee is to bring one sided lies to the forefront then. It's nothing more than a political stunt. Shifty is still saying that he has "indisputable evidence" Trump should be locked up, which a congressional committee can't do. The would hand that evidence to DOJ. And as partisan as DOJ is, it should be a slam dunk if they are telling the truth.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on June 22, 2022 8:02 am

    Okayyyyyyyy.... So the J6 committee is to bring one sided lies to the forefront then. It's nothing more than a political stunt. Shifty is still saying that he has "indisputable evidence" Trump should be locked up,..."

    Amazing, ain't, how tone deaf the Dems are. Suggesting to informed citizens that Adam Schiff has a shred of credibility. Oy!


  37. by Donna on June 22, 2022 10:29 am
    Anyone who thinks the Jan 6 hearings aren't legitimate must, if they're honest also think the Benghazi hearings weren't legitimate.

    I think they're both legitimate hearings.


  38. by oldedude on June 22, 2022 9:40 pm
    Then you should ask that both sides be represented as is stated by a legal court system. Otherwise, you have a kangaroo court. Welcome Kholmani.


  39. by Donna on June 22, 2022 10:31 pm
    I'm wondering what y'all'd be whining about if the Jan 6 comittee had 5 Republicans on it and the same evidence were presented.


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