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Alan Dershowitz: "Under the First Amendment, there's no such thing as a false idea or a false opinion."
By HatetheSwamp
August 9, 2023 1:50 pm
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Now, I get it, gang. Dershowitz is only from Harvard. He's a goober. He ain't Teri. pb's a slummer in seeking legal insight.


"Special counsel executed a search warrant of Trump’s Twitter account in 2020 election probe"

That d@ng effin FIRST Amendment. Keehee. This is all about pretending away Trump's Bill of Rights rights.

And, catch his opinion of the DC trial judge! Oy!

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on August 9, 2023 2:21 pm
    "Under the First Amendment, there's no such thing as a false idea or a false opinion," Dershowitz told co-hosts Bianca de la Garza and John Huddy.

    "The remedy for false ideas and false opinions is to respond to them and write better ideas and better opinions, not to criminalize what somebody said or did consistent with his belief that the election was stolen."

    In the indictment Jack Smith specifically acknowledges that Trump has First Amendment rights to say whatever he wants regardless of its truthfulness. Trump wasn't indicted for what he said. He's being indicted for his illegal actions which followed his false statements.

    Dershowitz doesn't explain that the First Amendment doesn't protect false statements that are defamatory. It doesn't protect a robber's utterance of "stick 'em up and give me your money!" The First Amendment is not an absolute protection to say whatever you want wherever and whenever you want.

    Read the indictment. Trump isn't being charged for his stated opinions.

    1 count
    Conspiracy to defraud the United States
    2 counts
    Related to efforts to obstruct the vote certification proceedings
    1 count
    Conspiracy to violate civil rights


    newsmax.com

  2. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2023 2:33 pm

    So, what does this have to do with the Twitter Search Warrant?

  3. by Curt_Anderson on August 9, 2023 3:19 pm
    HtS,
    I don’t know why there’s a Twitter search warrant. I don’t know that the answer to the question is being reported anywhere. But there could be a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with the first amendment. For example, maybe Jack Smith is looking to see if Donald Trump use Twitter to incite. Inciting a riot is not protected free-speech. Or maybe he wants to see if Trump had shown consciousness of guilt.


  4. by Ponderer on August 9, 2023 4:18 pm

    With a warrant, Smith can go into his account and look at things like what is in the drafts folder and other parts of it that aren't made public.


  5. by Ponderer on August 9, 2023 4:26 pm

    Bill, seems like you're really worried. I can guarantee you that after going through Trump's whole twitter account for the time periods he wants to see, he isn't going to find anything and then come out and say, "You can't say that, Mr. Trump. I'm charging you with.... something... for saying that."

    So rest easy, Bill. Your cult leader's First Amendment rights are fully secure. They aren't even at issue in any part of this case.



  6. by oldedude on August 9, 2023 6:54 pm
    The first charge.
    1 count Conspiracy to defraud the United States

    Are you for real? THAT IS the charge. omyfuckinggod.

    Don't EVER tell me you're a "defender of the constitution." I will remember this forever!

  7. by Indy! on August 9, 2023 7:59 pm

    Alan Dershowitz: "Under the First Amendment, there's no such thing as a false idea or a false opinion."

    This from the guy who tried to legitimize pedophilia.

  8. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2023 11:02 am

    So rest easy, Bill. Your cult leader's First Amendment rights are fully secure. They aren't even at issue in any part of this case.

    Translation:

    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!

  9. by Ponderer on August 10, 2023 11:11 am

    "Translation:

    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!
    I HAVE TDS!"     -Hate


    Translation:

    "You're right. There's nothing I can even think of to say to argue with you, so I will concede the debate to you on this issue."


  10. by islander on August 11, 2023 7:20 am

    Pony, You're right. We all know that's just Hate's way of conceding without having to come right out and admitting that he was wrong. 😀

  11. by Ponderer on August 11, 2023 7:59 am

    BULLSEYE!!!


  12. by Donna on August 11, 2023 8:19 am

    LOL at the Tom Tomorrow comic strip! I particularly like this one:

    I haven't read the indictment yet -- and I don't intend to. I'd rather denounce the things I imagine it says.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2023 8:21 am

    Baha.

    About this chronic MAGA ranting?

    It's like when a two year old boy shouts, "Poopie," then giggles, it's understandable. It's even cute in a roll-your-eyes way. You might even giggle at the giggle.

    But, years later, at age 16, if he's still shouting, "Poopie," you know there's sumpthin very seriously wrong.

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